I am extremely concerned about the way so-called oppositions positioning themselves. ONE COUNTRY ONE PEOPLE this principle and the way to keep our nation sovereignty and territorial integrity intact are not a simple task. Better to be decisive and difinitive in dealing with undesirable elements and the way they are moving. We patriots should be careful and watchful on every move of destructive elements and their culprits. I think perhaps this is the time to make sure "non- negotiable" stance in basic principles. Currently there are a few tails wagging hard and howling, some are gleeful about their papa visit. Quite a few wannabi puppets think that that is their chance in becoming puppet- disintegration of our Nation. I am sure many people like me are fully aware of certain elements existance detrimental to One country one people principle. I'd like to urge every patriot to do whatever necessary and whatever one can do to expose these elements and to destroy them.
Mrs. flyingdragon , oops, Ma pathema loves African's phallus, 12" in girth and 21" in length. So sex maniac, catching up her late boss Arthubar ne win.
What kind of role you-guys-pathetic want to participate in future democratic Union Of Myanmar with such lowlife and even more horrifying these stuffs. Proven yourself demoralized & much miserable – it’s rather self-inflicted wound, more democampers - more fishy business - Am I right?
On Nov 6, 3:11 am, thein han <juniper...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mrs. flyingdragon , oops, Ma pathema loves African's phallus, > 12" in girth and 21" in length. > So sex maniac, catching up her late boss Arthubar ne win.
On Nov 6, 6:51 am, George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:45:59 -0800 (PST), burmansoldier <burmansold...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> >What kind of role you-guys-pathetic want to participate in future > >democratic Union Of Myanmar with such lowlife and even more > >horrifying > >these stuffs. Proven yourself demoralized & much miserable – it’s > >rather self-inflicted wound, more democampers - more fishy business - > >Am I right?
> you'll be swinging with the generals, boy soldier.
FD,
When you said " Currently there are a few tails wagging hard and howling, some are gleeful about their papa visit.! As if you took the words from my mouth.
Let's say, they have no idea of what politic is all about.
They have shown that with their attitudes, their behaviours, their potentials, their quality they have no place in Myanmar politica. In a way , these people are helping our leaders cause, and objectives. These guys have no real place among the opposition or to be called Democampers. They are not worth anything.
Time has changed, things have to change, for the better, not for the worse, not back to the chaos,not back to lawlessness. Somebody will do something that is for sure.
Your advice, " Be Watchful " , is every effective. Don't worry my dear FD, everybody, yes I mean 'everybody' is watching.
Mrs. flyingdragon , oops, Ma pathema loves African's phallus, 12" in girth and 21" in length. So sex maniac, catching up her late boss Arthubar ne win.
Mrs.mogyothwar, Mrs bamarchee,they all want to share this gigantic find, just like their phar -yar than shwe.
for the original posting from Mrs. flying dong-lover, a correct description is a same as what Zo Khup's recent comment to other post " sauk kyee sauk kyae "
in other words " hta-mein gyone te ka let_thee htaung " all of them are " mar_ma_shane"
Well I do hope that all patriots are watching carefully and taking necessary action. I have just started organising what I can within my reach. for the lowlife named herself thein han, I just feel pity for her and her mother. the more these people show up with this kind of lowlife way and expression, the better for patriotic myanmar as we can see more of their true nature and upbringings as well as their capacity. By the look of it, she must be an ardent follower fo MrsAris whose actual nature and the way she lived her life before she married MrAris, the way she is messing up our national security, has been shown and known to people who study her closely. so if this lowlife character is male (I doubt it by the way she expressed herself though) he must be a ladyboy kinda guy as the subject of his worship is MrsAris.
<nonscrivet...@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> wrote: > On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:14:46 -0800 (PST), flyingdragon <flyingdrag...@yahoo.com> > wrote:
> >Well I do hope that all patriots are watching carefully and taking > >necessary action. I have just started organising what I can within my > >reach. > >for the lowlife named herself thein han, I just feel pity for her and > >her mother. the more these people show up with this kind of lowlife > >way and expression, the better for patriotic myanmar as we can see > >more of their true nature and upbringings as well as their capacity. > >By the look of it, she must be an ardent follower fo MrsAris whose > >actual nature and the way she lived her life before she married > >MrAris, the way she is messing up our national security, has been > >shown and known to people who study her closely. so if this lowlife > >character is male (I doubt it by the way she expressed herself though) > >he must be a ladyboy kinda guy as the subject of his worship is > >MrsAris.
> we're watching you. the whole world is watching. will you swing with the generals?
My dear FD,
“ Well I do hope that all patriots are watching carefully and taking necessary action, I have just started organising what I can within my reach. ”
If we are the dogs, “ Khways ” sometime she Ma Thein Han prefers to call us. We are the dogs that bites , which don’t bark like her. "Auk Ka Le Nay - Hardy Le Ma Shaw ", she is already down and flat so . she will cry for anything.
In every king’s court there is at least one Court Jester . We had the most famous U Paw Oo. He was civil , he was smooth, he was gentle, he was wise. And Myin Gun , Myin Khon Daing, also had the advisor by the name of U Pon Nya when they tried against their own father Mindon. Though they managed to kill Hlaing Prince or Crowned Prince Kanoung . I am seeing the Myanmar opposition has too many U Pon Nyas.. I hope the opposition knows what I am talking about here.
You must understand and accept, the world is not without, fools, stupid idiots and ignorant. You have to have white , to call other black. How many of us know, that the white itself is mad of seven different colours.
Freedom is being abused , this freedom is being violated by not only by Ma Thein Han but also by many others on this forum. They are hardly discussing anything about Myanmar. Their lowlife , low calibre are visible. Even their surrogate fathers around the world notice that.
Especially Ma Thein Han and her group, was looking in the mirror when she said , “ hta-mein gyone te ka let_thee htaung ” She must be mistaken or have meant that .“ Let Thee Htaung ” under our Pasoe. She can’t differentiate “ Let Thee ” and other “ La Thee ” . Sorry to use the word, that is because only she can understand that.
If they believe that is the way to change Myanmar. What more can I say, that is what they believe .
The result is , the opposition for twenty years , getting nowhere . It is true that Mrs Aris is under detention , but what about others outside , who are free to move around doing their political activities as usual ?
What a pity, Mrs Aris has nobody to rely on , nobody to depend on, she is all on her own. People like Ma Thein Han and all are not helping her at all. Besides the outside world is does not know how to help the opposition.
The outside world also knew even in 1990 NLD got into power, they could not help NLD, because it has nobody with potentials, it has nobody with talent and capability. The NLD government would collapsed within six months of taken office. There real fear was Myanmar will get back into chaos, Mrs Aris could not control anything. Myanmar will be back to square one. Mrs Aris herself would be in serious danger. They don’t want her to be seen as a democratically elected dictator.
Ma Thein Han is not “ may be” but surely “ an ardent follower of Mrs Aris ”. There is no doubt about it. The way Ma Then Han in her own words is telling us that she is a well trained bitch which is good at sniffing under the Hta main only. Living under it all the time. Whether to Mrs Aris liking or not is not the question. The fact is Ma Thein Han is not with Mrs Aris. She must have been kicked out recently, by Mrs Aris from coming too close to her private part .
Democracy and human rights are being violated by the opposition members such as Ma Thein Han. What can all others Myanmars expect from the opposition. What can outsiders who wants to help the opposition expect from them.
Twenty years is a long time to wait. There are lots and lots of things they could do against SPDC but they did not . Nothing will justify them . The fact is they have nobody suitable to replace Mrs Aris. The lay out was too much already, nothing in return , twenty years their investments in her are sitting without any profit in return. Economically they themselves are caught in their own trap.
Besides, with the expense of the West , Russia and China and others are benefiting. The west knows their economic sanctions does not pay. Their eyes are popping out. So they have to find ways how to make their investments pay.
For twenty years SPDC or Myanmar is not without friends . If US can do without Myanmar , Myanmar can do without US, nicely. Myanmar does not have to prove anything.
Every leader of every nation, knows exactly know what need to be done for their people, for their nation to protect their people, to defend their nation fo all enemies within the nation or from outside the nation.
In nation with democratically elected civilian government, the government assigns let the security apparatus to do their best , gives them free hands, military, CIA, FBI , Police etc., etc.
In a military rule nations like Myanmar, the government is the military, military is the military, MI ( CIA) is the military, Special Branch ( FBI ), Bureaux of Special Investigation(BSI) is the military, Criminal Investigation Department and Police are military or under the defence ministry, which is also military.
All these are under the government what ever they do is to be answered by the government, civilian or military. The government cannot deny, they have nothing to do with anything. Everything they do is accountable by the government, in any nation. Whatever US tropps in Afghanistan or in Iraq are doing Obama has to answer.
Regarding recent visits by US ,the so called “ fact finding mission ” is because US may have found that all vacancies in Union of Myanmar are full . They are too bloody late. It is their own faults. So they decided to re shuffle the cards. Dragging in Russia and China on their side, because others are negligible. Their noble intent may be to share Because they found that , Russia and China are having big pieces.
North Pole under the glacier expedition of Russian and its influence on other parts of the world . Not to forget P.R China, influence in many nations. All these made US , especially the bright brand new US president realises many things. The leaders of EU who most of them are former colonisers are somewhat reluctant . They are waiting for US signals. \they don’t mind to eat the left over of US. They have no choice, they themselves are at the mercy of US and UK, who are the Liberators of Europe, from Nazi Germany. Nazi or not Germany is Germany it is twenty million more stronger since the Berlin Wall came down.
Here you have to put into consideration is Then Sein on behalf of SPDC invited US through Jimmy Web . If some people take it as Then Sein was surrendering , it would be totally wrong. Among other things, Thein Sein would not dare to take the opportunity to invite US at the UN either. Thein Sein or SPDC at least is in the bargaining position . Thein Sein and SPDC is clever enough.
Or at least to show to the world that SPDC is flexible, SPDC is willing, SPDC is prepared and SPDC is ready , SPDC is honourable. At the same time, to show to the world that who are not flexible, who are not willing , who are not prepared, who are not ready.
Now we are seeing, who is “ blackmailing ” the people of Myanmar, and the nation of Myanmar, who is holding the people and the nation of Myanmar as hostage, asking ransom from SPDC. The act of pirates, the tactic of the terrorists.
They admitted that , the process will be slow. Myanmar(SPDC) must show the democratic changes, they said . Their main tune is Mrs Aris again. They have to back her, there is nobody else. With all the good reasons SPDC is protecting Mrs Aris, with all cause. SPDC knows about the late civil rights leaders Rev, Martin Luther Kig Jr. and late US President J. F. Kennedy.
CIA agent are not wearing horns on their foreheads or have tails behind, but they (Spdc) can see them with their trained eyes, who they are,
Everybody is watching. Russia and China too . Those who are not on, those who are missing the Love Train of Myanmar are US and UK. May be they are in the last carriage, may be they want to move into first class or even upper class, night sleeper where Russia and China are. US and UK wants to join in together with them. Or in a way , US and UK are calling Russia and China to join them in the last carriage.
It also shows, US or UK can do nothing without the consent and approval of Russia and China. These two won’t let US or UK do what they like either to Myanmar or to any other country , the word is “bullying ”.
FD, you know, as well as I do the meaning of Democracy, the meaning of Human Rights. It is not desirable, it is unacceptable whoever misuses or violates . We all are living in the twenty first century. Not in he stone age with the stone age, knowledge.
For the sake of the people of Myanmar, for the sake of the nation of Myanmar , we the Myanmar Myo Chits Patriots are not blinking our eyes, we are not alone watching everyone and everything. We have to help to
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I do hope that MGthwar. (1) Why nld need america to find the solution between them and current government? (2) If I were nld memeber, I'd feel so ashamed of outsider telling what to do and we need outsider to find the solution for the problem we have between ourselves. (3) To be honest I feel so personal with any outsider interfering with our internal affairs, when brit invaded us, they assumed myanmar as inferior race and inferior culture and civilization so they thought they need to rule myanmar and make them civilized, now what nld doing is akin to agreeing with this assumption, they cannot solve so they need their protectors pupeteer help , admiting that they still have slave mentality. (4) What american involvement do they need? why they want outsider to influence our constitution?
anyway many many questions in my mind and I feel so so ashamed of how myanmar politics going especially for socalled opposition as I am myanmar. hope myanmar patriots allover the world inside/outside do take action to make sure our sovereignty and territorial integrity is intact and search and destroy any obstrution to peace and prosperity of our nation, expose all distructive elements under many disguises.
Do you know what you are saying and how you are condemning your (?) people? Your people are like hostages, violently kept by severely armed hijackers (the military government and the Tatmadaw), robbed from their freedom. And you are saying the hostages should solve their own miserable situation, they should liberate themselves. They, according to you, should not call the police for help, outside and capable mediators. No, calling the police is taboo. Well then, why wouldn't you give weapons to the hostages, so they can negotiate at the same level as their kidnappers? Make it possible to solve their own problems, let them release their fellow political prisoners themselves, make them equally powerful. Is that what you want? If not, then what is it that you would propose, suggest the NLD, the opposition and the people to do? Do you consider the current situation one of equal level? Can you name one political prisoner on the side of the junta, captured by the opposition?
If I were a Burmese national I would feel very much ashamed of fellow nationals like you and S/M telling us what to do, to follow the junta's orders and to keep our mouths shut. I can only hope that there is just a small minority of Burmese people (whether inside or outside Burma) thinking like you and your comrades, wanting to keep dominating the majority. Your fascist, nazi-like views are a disgrace to your people, to the world and civilisation in general. Your own children may turn away from you, repudiating your views. Why don't you listen to the desires and needs of your people? Or aren't you Burmese? Are you Chinese, Malaysian or North Korean perhaps? Yes, we are watchful, especially to people with views like yours, dangerous and destructive to the society. You seem to be even more extreme than the generals, who are prepared to talk to the West.
Do you really think you are needed by Burma, by the Burmese, now and in the future? Do you serve any useful purpose? A pathetic, imaginary thought. Your views can only be contempted. History is full of fascists like you, finally getting the worst of it. Maybe you are the ones who should be pitied for such maladjusted minds.
Regards, JRB
James Russell Brownwood James.Russell.Brownw...@Gmail.com Justice Reforms Burma http://jrburma.int.tf (@NLM archives, PGP public key)
Disclaimer: these views are entirely my own and unrelated to my nationality, my home country and its political stances and they are independent of and not contrary to my views on other similar events and human rights violations elsewhere in the world.
>>> T h e w o r l d u p s i d e >>> <<< ¡ u m o p <<<
Than Shwe, above the law, escapes conviction for genocide, crimes against humanity, while Aung San Suu Kyi has been convicted for offering hospitality to a stranger; all that because of the junta's excessive, rigid, invalid, unfair and undue laws and orders.
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> I do hope that MGthwar. > (1) Why nld need america to find the solution between them and current > government? > (2) If I were nld memeber, I'd feel so ashamed of outsider telling > what to do and we need outsider to find the solution for the problem > we have between ourselves. > (3) To be honest I feel so personal with any outsider interfering with > our internal affairs, when brit invaded us, they assumed myanmar as > inferior race and inferior culture and civilization so they thought > they need to rule myanmar and make them civilized, now what nld doing > is akin to agreeing with this assumption, they cannot solve so they > need their protectors pupeteer help , admiting that they still have > slave mentality. > (4) What american involvement do they need? why they want outsider to > influence our constitution?
> anyway many many questions in my mind and I feel so so ashamed of how > myanmar politics going especially for socalled opposition as I am > myanmar. hope myanmar patriots allover the world inside/outside do > take action to make sure our sovereignty and territorial integrity is > intact and search and destroy any obstrution to peace and prosperity > of our nation, expose all distructive elements under many disguises.
It is pointless to enlighten moronic pathologically insane do-gooder self-important whipper-snipper like you coffee jane so I do not even consider to dignify your questions. people like Bush,Hitler and a few others could come out of so-called democracy as they were democratically elected, the damage done to the world and to their respective countries has been undeniable, pretty sure these guys were cheered and worshipped by people like you pathetic moronic stuffed-shirt do-gooder guys. During jap and brit time, people like you and myanmar who serve their foreign master were called, "a lo taw yi" "Jap Sakapyan" lady Jeep" "paseinyoe" etc etc and you know where they ended up? like I said before, go back to your little corner and do serious study to deepen and enlarge your thinking capacity if there is any. Dont mess with myanmar or you would be sorry as myanmar patriots would not accept any insult to our nation and people with your pathetic view. Luckily most of us are buddhist and even if one patriot is not Buddhist s/he would not be so violent and cruel due to cultural and societal influence, but all know how to take care of destructive elements and their handlers.
> Do you know what you are saying and how you are condemning your (?) > people? Your people are like hostages, violently kept by severely > armed hijackers (the military government and the Tatmadaw), robbed > from their freedom. And you are saying the hostages should solve their > own miserable situation, they should liberate themselves. They, > according to you, should not call the police for help, outside and > capable mediators. No, calling the police is taboo. Well then, why > wouldn't you give weapons to the hostages, so they can negotiate at > the same level as their kidnappers? Make it possible to solve their > own problems, let them release their fellow political prisoners > themselves, make them equally powerful. Is that what you want? If not, > then what is it that you would propose, suggest the NLD, the > opposition and the people to do? Do you consider the current situation > one of equal level? Can you name one political prisoner on the side of > the junta, captured by the opposition?
still looking for a fan of your outright lies?
> If I were a Burmese national I would feel very much ashamed of fellow > nationals like you and S/M telling us what to do, to follow the > junta's orders and to keep our mouths shut. I can only hope that there > is just a small minority of Burmese people (whether inside or outside > Burma) thinking like you and your comrades, wanting to keep dominating > the majority. Your fascist, nazi-like views are a disgrace to your > people, to the world and civilisation in general. Your own children > may turn away from you, repudiating your views. Why don't you listen > to the desires and needs of your people? Or aren't you Burmese? Are > you Chinese, Malaysian or North Korean perhaps? Yes, we are watchful, > especially to people with views like yours, dangerous and destructive > to the society. You seem to be even more extreme than the generals, > who are prepared to talk to the West.
supporting break-away armed insurgents, fuckin partnership effort to make myanmar a war torn country wasn't dangerous and destructive to Myanmar society as a whole?
> Do you really think you are needed by Burma, by the Burmese, now and > in the future? Do you serve any useful purpose? A pathetic, imaginary > thought. Your views can only be contempted. History is full of > fascists like you, finally getting the worst of it. Maybe you are the > ones who should be pitied for such maladjusted minds.
Myanmar doesn't need you and your coffee stuff that everyone knew here. Myanmar needs her identity as one country forever, soveriengity, more importantly it needs those patriots who support these life and death issue of national security - period!
> Regards, > JRB
> James Russell Brownwood > James.Russell.Brownw...@Gmail.com > Justice Reforms Burmahttp://jrburma.int.tf(@NLM archives, PGP public key)
How can fcukin justice 'reformed' - by being unjust itself and being supported wholeheartedly for home grown Al Q Burmese insurgents????
> Disclaimer: these views are entirely my own and unrelated to my > nationality, my home country and its political stances and they are > independent of and not contrary to my views on other similar events > and human rights violations elsewhere in the world.
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Does 'forgotten sukyi presidency back in 90' still make you mad, mad and fcukin mad?
> Than Shwe, above the law, escapes conviction for genocide, crimes > against humanity, while Aung San Suu Kyi has been convicted for > offering hospitality to a stranger; all that because of the junta's > excessive, rigid, invalid, unfair and undue laws and orders.
ridiculous shadow trailing - a perfect example of a fcukin mad dog
What else you-guys-pathetic expect from coffee stuffs of a fcukin mad dog?
a criminal = a stranger (coffee version)
offering hospitality = hiding a criminal, pussyfootingly (coffee version)
> On Nov 9, 3:50 pm, flyingdragon <flyingdrag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I do hope that MGthwar. > > (1) Why nld need america to find the solution between them and current > > government? > > (2) If I were nld memeber, I'd feel so ashamed of outsider telling > > what to do and we need outsider to find the solution for the problem > > we have between ourselves. > > (3) To be honest I feel so personal with any outsider interfering with > > our internal affairs, when brit invaded us, they assumed myanmar as > > inferior race and inferior culture and civilization so they thought > > they need to rule myanmar and make them civilized, now what nld doing > > is akin to agreeing with this assumption, they cannot solve so they > > need their protectors pupeteer help , admiting that they still have > > slave mentality. > > (4) What american involvement do they need? why they want outsider to > > influence our constitution?
> > anyway many many questions in my mind and I feel so so ashamed of how > > myanmar politics going especially for socalled opposition as I am > > myanmar. hope myanmar patriots allover the world inside/outside do > > take action to make sure our sovereignty and territorial integrity is > > intact and search and destroy any obstrution to peace and prosperity > > of our nation, expose all distructive elements under many disguises.- Hide quoted text -
I must have touched a sensitive chord. Good, I wanted to arouse you, but not to upset you. All right, you don't want to accept my challenges, you considered them at least and you and everyone else know what I mean I assume. Whether you value me low, lower or lowest is irrelevant. What is relevant are my views, your views, everyone's views.
Exactly the dominance and repression that you support and promote under the pretext of 'law and order, peace and stability', is the issue that is disgustable. Whether it comes from devils like Hitler, Mugabe, Kim Jong Il, Than Shwe, Mao, Stalin, Napoleon, Ceasar, elected or self-appointed, doesn't matter so much. What matters is their disdain for human values and norms, for humanitarian rights, for individual and collective needs and desires, for human life, for humanity, for freedom. What also matters is their violent rule at the point of their gun or their sword. Standing up for yourself or your friends or fellow countrymen, disobeying or criticising the rulers, can mean the end of your life or your (relative) freedom. All dictators have at least this common trait: they don't accept opposition, contradiction and criticism.
You are one of the tagalongs of one of those dictators, making up their own rules, laws and orders, their own constitution, their own policy and their own internal war, (ab)using their 400K size Tatmadaw occupation army. Like your comrades you are a traitor to the real patriots, the miserable people in Burma. I support and represent the views of that majority of Burmese, my sources inside Burma confirm that. I don't support the West, I don't fawn the US or the UK, I support the military inferior Burma, the Burmese citizens in their struggle against the occupation force, against neo-slavery, neo- colonialism, in their request for help, for interference from the West. I support the Burmese wanting to negotiate with the West themselves about lifting economic sanctions and so on, not exclusively negotiated by the junta if done at all.
Who are you or who is your comrade in combat, S/M, to deny the Burmese their rights to ask for or demand anything that they want? Who are you pretending to know what is good for the people? From what authority do you ignore the objections of the NLD's/opposition's/people's against the SPDC? Who are you and who is the junta to deny the people their rights on flourishing progress, exploiting them? Are you the Emperor of Japan, S/M the Emperor of China and BS/BG the King of Siam? ADA, anti-democratic attitude? You and your comrade S/M are glorfying a system too much and the people living under it too less. Both of you should at least present a balanced view of the positive and negative sides of your government during the past 20 years, especially the fact that the junta was/is self-appointed and that the people massively elected other representatives, who now are largely behind bars or have died. That would be fair and educative.
Does it occur to you that people may disagree with you, not only in SCB, but even in Burma? Don't decide for them, let them decide themselves. About democratic principles, about whether or not to prosecute the generals, about whether or not to decrease the size of the Tatmadaw army, about which countries to establish relations with, about whether or not to split the country up, about whether or not to revise the constitution and so on. I think you don't have the right to deny that freedom of self-determination to anyone. The difference between you and me seems to be that you always say "it must go this way" while I don't say "it must go the other way" as you claim, but "nothing is a must, people can decide themselves" instead.
Don't come with personal threats like "but all know how to take care of destructive elements and their handlers" or "spare room in ASSK's coffin" (by BS/BG) and the like. I neither appreciate reverse threads like "swinging with the generals" (by GO, NS and similar ones). I want no threats, no violence, no force at all, not to each other in SCB, not to the people in Burma. I want the relief of those undesired issues for the Burmese people, for you and me, for everyone. I only want justice, reformed, impartial justice in Burma. I merely want the immediate release of all (2300) political, conscientious prisoners. I just want the responsible generals to justify and possibly pay for their humanitarian crimes in a court of law, e.g. the ICC.
Together with all of the Burmese people I want real peace and democracy for Burma the way the people want it, without obstruction from any dictators or you. Don't sabotage that. Choose the side of the people and don't command them, but follow them, listen to them and join them. Make peace, not war. Fight for peace and justice, freedom and democracy. Help the meek and weak, stand up for the hunted. Promote equality, pursue righteousness. Improve the quality of life, influence and persuade the responsible (political) leaders. Serve yourself and your fellow humans, change the future today, in the interest of the Burmese people and their country. Progress will result from the right mentality and behaviour.
According to S/M Buddhism says that every individual is responsible for his own actions, not for those of others. Christianity says the same, when judged by God everyone only bears responsibility for himself and no one bears responsibility for you, whether or not your responsibility, thoughts, intentions and deeds extend towards the well-being of other people and independent of your individual capabilities and means. The parable if the talents in the Bible is a good illustration of that. (Yet in the Christian faith doing good deeds is an important virtue and stimulated, but they don't count to be saved. The only thing that counts is men's individual acceptance of God's mercy and sacrifice.) One doesn't need to be ashamed of doing good to others from conviction; during our life here "what you sow is what you reap" applies to both good and bad deeds. Loving and caring for your fellow people is as important as loving and caring for yourself.
BS/BG, my stimulating, provocative and possibly irritating quote below sadly is still very much applicable and true. Well, irritating quotes may even be intended to be irritating; they are at least stimulating and provocative and will be memorised best. The junta knows that too and publishes its quotes or slogans in its daily newspaper the New Light of Myanmar (NLM) for days, weeks, months, years and decenniums already. So, it still can take a while......................
Regards, JRB
James Russell Brownwood James.Russell.Brownw...@Gmail.com Justice Reforms Burma http://jrburma.int.tf (@NLM archives, PGP public key)
Disclaimer: these views are entirely my own and unrelated to my nationality, my home country and its political stances and they are independent of and not contrary to my views on other similar events and human rights violations elsewhere in the world.
>>> T h e w o r l d u p s i d e >>> <<< ¡ u m o p <<<
Than Shwe, above the law, escapes conviction for genocide, crimes against humanity, while Aung San Suu Kyi has been convicted for offering hospitality to a stranger; all that because of the junta's excessive, rigid, invalid, unfair and undue laws and orders.
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>It is pointless to enlighten moronic pathologically insane do-gooder >self-important whipper-snipper like you coffee jane so I do not even >consider to dignify your questions. >people like Bush,Hitler and a few others could come out of so-called >democracy as they were democratically elected, the damage done to the >world and to their respective countries has been undeniable, pretty
On Nov 10, 11:55 pm, James@Russ...@Brownwood.Gmail@com (James) wrote:
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> Hi FD and S/M and BS/BG as well,
Hi Coffee James,
> I must have touched a sensitive chord. Good, I wanted to arouse you, > but not to upset you. All right, you don't want to accept my > challenges, you considered them at least and you and everyone else > know what I mean I assume. Whether you value me low, lower or lowest > is irrelevant. What is relevant are my views, your views, everyone's > views.
Self rightgeousness & madness makes you even more foolish and out of control. Let’s see?
> Exactly the dominance and repression that you support and promote > under the pretext of 'law and order, peace and stability', is the > issue that is disgustable. Whether it comes from devils like Hitler, > Mugabe, Kim Jong Il, Than Shwe, Mao, Stalin, Napoleon, Ceasar, elected > or self-appointed, doesn't matter so much. What matters is their > disdain for human values and norms, for humanitarian rights, for > individual and collective needs and desires, for human life, for > humanity, for freedom. What also matters is their violent rule at the > point of their gun or their sword. Standing up for yourself or your > friends or fellow countrymen, disobeying or criticising the rulers, > can mean the end of your life or your (relative) freedom. All > dictators have at least this common trait: they don't accept > opposition, contradiction and criticism.
Dubya accepted opposition, contradiction and criticism and sadly it did not avoid Americans ‘suffered’ and those who voted ‘yes’ to make country red red and red felt even more ‘cheated’. Does lies under the mask of demo-craptic (democratic?) better than lies under the dictators? A father of victim son who was slaughtered by dubya WM?D may turn to a suicide bomber. Then, terror to wipe out upside down A mother of dead soldier who was killed during notorious Iraq War may turn to a crazy woman for her son died in vain. Is demo lies better than other lies??? What a fuckin brainwash – still making animated sound of demo good- others bad. What a sickening mad dog – a brainwash!
Dose demo lies better? Does demo lies kill more? What a sick mad dog . . you were!
> You are one of the tagalongs of one of those dictators, making up > their own rules, laws and orders, their own constitution, their own > policy and their own internal war, (ab)using their 400K size Tatmadaw > occupation army. Like your comrades you are a traitor to the real > patriots, the miserable people in Burma. I support and represent the > views of that majority of Burmese, my sources inside Burma confirm > that. I don't support the West, I don't fawn the US or the UK, I > support the military inferior Burma, the Burmese citizens in their > struggle against the occupation force, against neo-slavery, neo- > colonialism, in their request for help, for interference from the > West. I support the Burmese wanting to negotiate with the West > themselves about lifting economic sanctions and so on, not exclusively > negotiated by the junta if done at all.
Fake activist did not want to see tatmadaw. This mad dog only wants to see insurgents occupation all over the country, making a war torn country. Remember, knu gained until 8miles away from Rangoon and yangon-a-so-ya was a proof. Nation security we patriots prioritise above all as same as all other countries.
You have no capacity to see, just being mad about mrs aris. What a sick mad dog . . you were!
> Who are you or who is your comrade in combat, S/M, to deny the Burmese > their rights to ask for or demand anything that they want? Who are you > pretending to know what is good for the people? From what authority do > you ignore the objections of the NLD's/opposition's/people's against > the SPDC? Who are you and who is the junta to deny the people their > rights on flourishing progress, exploiting them? Are you the Emperor > of Japan, S/M the Emperor of China and BS/BG the King of Siam? ADA, > anti-democratic attitude? You and your comrade S/M are glorfying a > system too much and the people living under it too less. Both of you > should at least present a balanced view of the positive and negative > sides of your government during the past 20 years, especially the fact > that the junta was/is self-appointed and that the people massively > elected other representatives, who now are largely behind bars or have > died. That would be fair and educative.
Anti-democratic attitude??
What a sickening funniest terminology, I believe.
Just another weird terminology, an animated sound of a brainwash who was watching too much fox, bbc, cnn, etc etc I believe. Thousands of pro-democratic attitude Americans ‘cheated’ and ‘suffered’ now by democratically elected dubya. When pro-demo-craptic (democratic?) attitude Myanmars are cheated, Myanmar to be many broken pieces. We have no second chance. Did you really think that pro-democratic attitude is better??? Do you still belive in democratic fraud, and being a fraud activist yourself. Anti-democratic attitude or pro, it doesn’t make me sense et al. For YOU, a perfect example of a brainwash who’s eating demo-craptic fries more than you can digest and being surrendered your way of independent thinking. Were your parents initiate watching main stream media as young as you were 5, 6 years old? and still watching all time? Get time off, it’s rather my kind advice! Dubya – call him pro-democratic attitude Saddam – call him anti-democratic attitude Who killed more innocents? Is that pro-democratic attitude better? Under the mask of your fake activist life, knu’s killings and kokant’s killing innocents were better for you than greens?
You’ve chosen to be fake human right activist, right? You were!
> Does it occur to you that people may disagree with you, not only in > SCB, but even in Burma? Don't decide for them, let them decide > themselves. About democratic principles, about whether or not to > prosecute the generals, about whether or not to decrease the size of > the Tatmadaw army, about which countries to establish relations with, > about whether or not to split the country up, about whether or not to > revise the constitution and so on. I think you don't have the right to > deny that freedom of self-determination to anyone. The difference > between you and me seems to be that you always say "it must go this > way" while I don't say "it must go the other way" as you claim, but > "nothing is a must, people can decide themselves" instead.
Of course, people decided 98.2% approval in 2008.
> Don't come with personal threats like "but all know how to take care > of destructive elements and their handlers" or "spare room in ASSK's > coffin" (by BS/BG) and the like. I neither appreciate reverse threads > like "swinging with the generals" (by GO, NS and similar ones). I want > no threats, no violence, no force at all, not to each other in SCB, > not to the people in Burma. I want the relief of those undesired > issues for the Burmese people, for you and me, for everyone. I only > want justice, reformed, impartial justice in Burma. I merely want the > immediate release of all (2300) political, conscientious prisoners. I > just want the responsible generals to justify and possibly pay for > their humanitarian crimes in a court of law, e.g. the ICC.
Genocide (a-war–torn) planner like you may have been frightened by the word ICC that is catching all small mosquitoes, knowingly irrisistable to giant evils those are untouchable like dubya, doggy blair, etc etc. Get U.S signature one fine day may improve ICC image to some extents, then you start to dream about catching those Monsters at large. These Monster killed tens of thousands of innocents unlike Mugabe, Kim, etc etc.
Can't see reality?
What a sick mad dog . . you were!
> Together with all of the Burmese people I want real peace and > democracy for Burma the way the people want it, without obstruction > from any dictators or you. Don't sabotage that. Choose the side of the > people and don't command them, but follow them, listen to them and > join them. Make peace, not war. Fight for peace and justice, freedom > and democracy. Help the meek and weak, stand up for the hunted. > Promote equality, pursue righteousness. Improve the quality of life, > influence and persuade the responsible (political) leaders. Serve > yourself and your fellow humans, change the future today, in the > interest of the Burmese people and their country. Progress will result > from the right mentality and behaviour.
Myanmar as a war torn country will be resulted from the crap mentality and funny behavior and of course ‘animated’ sound.
What a fcukin brainwash!
> According to S/M Buddhism says that every individual is responsible > for his own actions, not for those of others. Christianity says the > same, when judged by God everyone only bears responsibility for > himself and no one bears responsibility for you, whether or not your > responsibility, thoughts, intentions and deeds extend towards the > well-being of other people and independent of your individual > capabilities and means. The parable if the talents in the Bible is a > good illustration of that. (Yet in the Christian faith doing good > deeds is an important virtue and stimulated, but they don't count to > be saved. The only thing that counts is men's individual acceptance of > God's mercy and sacrifice.) One doesn't need to be ashamed of doing > good to others from conviction; during our life here "what you sow is > what you reap" applies to both good and bad deeds. Loving and caring > for your fellow people is as important as loving and caring for > yourself.
Avoiding a war torn country is as important as crushing those insurgents until under control. Touch choices :we have to do what we have to do. Look, the way America chasing and hiunting down terror. How many of innocents had
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You still don't listen, do you? You are assuming things without any justification. First of all leaving out the unfounded and personally discrediting qualifications there is not much left of your posting. What's left is for the largest part some number of allegations without any attempted substantiation, like those of people shouting with long subjects and even longer names in many newsgroup at a time. Only a one or two really relevant remarks remain, which even are incorrect.
1. I don't recall having ever said to support or deny Bush's policies or to be American or not. Yet you attack my views by assuming that I support all kinds of alleged atrocities committed by the US, while condemning those of Myanmar. You even seem to hold me responsible for supporting for example the Iraq war. Finally you suggest me to keep my mouth shut about Burma while assenting to the US policy or to clean the own house firstly.
Well, this attitude and assumption of yours is entirely undue, my private attitudes and opinions are not in any way related to any country as my disclaimer clearly states. I never have fed such assumptions, you are just making them up, you don't know anything about my views on US policy. I only express my own, independent opinions about the human rights violations in Burma and that's it. I don't compare them to those of the US, China or North Korea if comparable at all, I judge them in the absolute sense as indecent and evil.
2. You justify the crimes committed by the government and the army in Burma by saying that such crimes occur everywhere in the world, committed by many countries, including the US. So, from the standpoint of equally balanced injustice, you suggest to let continue the crimes in Burma, they are part of normal life and victims are everywhere, don't make a fuzz.
Well, that is inhumane of course, accepting all human rights violations as normal, not fighting any violation. I would say, if you were really concerned about the Burmese people you would not maintain that. But you actually don't care for the people, only for a Myanmar system with eternal, physical power to the military, hoping you can someway profit from that power too.
You said I would support "break-away armed insurgents[...] to make myanmar a war torn country". Nonsense, that's being supported and realised by the dictatorial government and the insurgent Tatmadaw already. You said "Myanmar needs her identity as one country forever, soveriengity, more importantly it needs those patriots who support these life and death issue of national security - period!".
You are thinking in systems, ideologies and obedience too much, in people, freedom and diversity too less. Burma, or rather the Burmese people, need freedom of expression in the first place without being imprisoned for the rest of their life. They need to decide about their own future in a democracy without military politicians, living and governing together. They don't need a rigged referendum to spoil their future.
You don't know about democracy, what it means. Are you living in a democracy? What example do you have? Tell me, is a fixed and unconditional percentage of 25% military presence in the elected government usual in democratic countries? Does rigging contribute to becoming a democracy or is it actually intended to avoid a real democracy? Does a democracy have political prisoners?
You still don't know what discussing really is. If you knew you would engage me disputing my accusations of crimes of the junta that I many times challenged you to , instead of fixating to ASSK's potential presidency. Yet you have nothing else to discuss, because it actually is like I said or there's nothing to gain for you.
You are not looking with your eyes, but with junta controlled cameras. You are not listening with your ears, but with your mouth. You are not thinking with your brains, but with the weapons in your hands.
I am challenging, stimulating and stirring you up to come out of your ivory tower and to face me in a verbal duel about (y)our views on Burma if you dare.
Regards, JRB
James Russell Brownwood James.Russell.Brownw...@Gmail.com Justice Reforms Burma http://jrburma.int.tf (@NLM archives, PGP public key)
Disclaimer: these views are entirely my own and unrelated to my nationality, my home country and its political stances and they are independent of and not contrary to my views on other similar events and human rights violations elsewhere in the world.
>>> T h e w o r l d u p s i d e >>> <<< ¡ u m o p <<<
Than Shwe, above the law, escapes conviction for genocide, crimes against humanity, while Aung San Suu Kyi has been convicted for offering hospitality to a stranger; all that because of the junta's excessive, rigid, invalid, unfair and undue laws and orders.
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> Hi BS/BG,
> You still don't listen, do you? You are assuming things without any > justification. First of all leaving out the unfounded and personally > discrediting qualifications there is not much left of your posting. > What's left is for the largest part some number of allegations without > any attempted substantiation, like those of people shouting with long > subjects and even longer names in many newsgroup at a time. Only a one > or two really relevant remarks remain, which even are incorrect.
listen what? Do you still looking for a fan of your fuckin lies?
Your explaination was rather pathetic, let alone saying ‘not enough’
Trying hard but You failed to save all, so sad euh!
You failed to save - your profile of fcukin fake human rights activist You failed to save – fcukin mad-dog-hood You failed to save – your fcukin cunning genocide planner to make a war torn country You failed to save – your profile of a fcukin rosy dreamer You failed to save – fcukin madness about forgotten sukyi’s presidency in 1990 You failed to save – fuckin moral authority of yours as second chance – no guts to offer ‘apology’ You failed to save – your fuckin profile of hypocrite
Many people here did not know how to title you up, simply because you got several different fcukin personalities
However, I got one title most suitable for you to cover for all these fcukin personalities, that is
MATHAFCUKER – JAMES - MATHAFCUKER
James, a mathafcuker who’s fuckin own mum: every single coffee stuff is equivalent to one fcuk that will also be credited to his mum account, still counting . . . . .
MATHAFCUKER
You don't have to listen to me, you have your fcukin freedom of selling your fcukin lies - MATHAFCUKER
> 1. I don't recall having ever said to support or deny Bush's policies > or to be American or not. Yet you attack my views by assuming that I > support all kinds of alleged atrocities committed by the US, while > condemning those of Myanmar. You even seem to hold me responsible for > supporting for example the Iraq war. Finally you suggest me to keep my > mouth shut about Burma while assenting to the US policy or to clean > the own house firstly.
> Well, this attitude and assumption of yours is entirely undue, my > private attitudes and opinions are not in any way related to any > country as my disclaimer clearly states. I never have fed such > assumptions, you are just making them up, you don't know anything > about my views on US policy. I only express my own, independent > opinions about the human rights violations in Burma and that's it. I > don't compare them to those of the US, China or North Korea if > comparable at all, I judge them in the absolute sense as indecent and > evil.
> 2. You justify the crimes committed by the government and the army in > Burma by saying that such crimes occur everywhere in the world, > committed by many countries, including the US. So, from the standpoint > of equally balanced injustice, you suggest to let continue the crimes > in Burma, they are part of normal life and victims are everywhere, > don't make a fuzz.
> Well, that is inhumane of course, accepting all human rights > violations as normal, not fighting any violation. I would say, if you > were really concerned about the Burmese people you would not maintain > that. But you actually don't care for the people, only for a Myanmar > system with eternal, physical power to the military, hoping you can > someway profit from that power too.
> You said I would support "break-away armed insurgents[...] to make > myanmar a war torn country". Nonsense, that's being supported and > realised by the dictatorial government and the insurgent Tatmadaw > already. You said "Myanmar needs her identity as one country forever, > soveriengity, more importantly it needs those patriots who support > these life and death issue of national security - period!".
> You are thinking in systems, ideologies and obedience too much, in > people, freedom and diversity too less. Burma, or rather the Burmese > people, need freedom of expression in the first place without being > imprisoned for the rest of their life. They need to decide about their > own future in a democracy without military politicians, living and > governing together. They don't need a rigged referendum to spoil their > future.
> You don't know about democracy, what it means. Are you living in a > democracy? What example do you have? Tell me, is a fixed and > unconditional percentage of 25% military presence in the elected > government usual in democratic countries? Does rigging contribute to > becoming a democracy or is it actually intended to avoid a real > democracy? Does a democracy have political prisoners?
> You still don't know what discussing really is. If you knew you would > engage me disputing my accusations of crimes of the junta that I many > times challenged you to , instead of fixating to ASSK's potential > presidency. Yet you have nothing else to discuss, because it actually > is like I said or there's nothing to gain for you.
> You are not looking with your eyes, but with junta controlled cameras. > You are not listening with your ears, but with your mouth. You are not > thinking with your brains, but with the weapons in your hands.
> I am challenging, stimulating and stirring you up to come out of your > ivory tower and to face me in a verbal duel about (y)our views on > Burma if you dare.
> Regards, > JRB
> James Russell Brownwood > James.Russell.Brownw...@Gmail.com > Justice Reforms Burmahttp://jrburma.int.tf(@NLM archives, PGP public key)
> Disclaimer: these views are entirely my own and unrelated to my > nationality, my home country and its political stances and they are > independent of and not contrary to my views on other similar events > and human rights violations elsewhere in the world.
> >>> T h e w o r l d u p s i d e >>> <<< ¡ u m o p <<<
> Than Shwe, above the law, escapes conviction for genocide, crimes > against humanity, while Aung San Suu Kyi has been convicted for > offering hospitality to a stranger; all that because of the junta's > excessive, rigid, invalid, unfair and undue laws and orders.
a criminal = a stranger (Coffee)
Hiding a criminal, pussyfootingly = offering hospitality to a stranger (Coffee)
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