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mogyothwar  
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From: mogyothwar <ziza...@globalnet.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:27:44 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 12:27 am
Subject: NO VOICE TOO SMALL.
My dear UKmyainmg and my dear Myanma Myo Chits, Patriots ,

Nice to see your reply, like you I was a bit busy . I published THE
PAST,THE PRESENT, THE FUTURE, IS MYANMAR HISTORY REPEATING?, before I
had a chance to read your reply. As I have nothing to hide, I publish
my thoughts, wherever  possible, for more people to see.

I will be very honest with you by admitting that I do not know how
many “Suvva Bhumi ” were there and which “ Suvva Bhumi” are you
talking about. If you are talking about some other Suvva Bhumi , I am
afraid. I don’t know.

If you are talking about Myanmar , I have read that Tha Hton of Mon
Kingdom was also called Thuwunna Bommi aka Tha Hton Pyi. I don’t know
how they pronounced in Sanskrit or Pali either. The pronunciation of
Sanskrit or Pali to our Myanmar tongue may be different . That I
notice. If my memories serve me right, The Hton was where Buddhism
first arrived from India. Where Buddhism flourished before Bamar
Kingdom . King Anawrahta was responsible for many good and bed things,
two of the good things were he tried to establish Myanmar in his own
way as one nation, and to flourish Buddhism as True Justice for all.

Myanmar is a beautiful country itself in many ways. Everybody say so.
We can make it more beautiful .The question is, is it for your eyes
only , for my eyes only, for whom Ukmyaing for whom, we have to make
it beautiful. more beautiful for whom? Besides, beautiful words don’t
make a country more beautiful. Deed, deeds beautiful deeds will do. We
can do it . If anyone does not want to help , at least please don’t
disturb us.

All countries are beautiful as they are naturally UKmyaing. There are
no such country as ugly countries or ugly people. Even the deserts are
beautiful with sands , and oasis. Oceans are filled with fishes. If
somebody off set these natural beauties, it will turn out to be ugly .
Look at the middleeast where sand and oasis are. What about Southeast
Asia in the past?

The land and the nature, we have what nature provides, and nature
takes away. Nature balance everything. It is the nature which provides
with everything we need. These provisions are private properties. What
shall I say , Buddha given , God given gifts to a certain people ,
until somebody wants to cheat the owner, somebody steal it, rob it
from the owner. They are against God or Buddha whatever you say. Our
destiny, do you want to leave like that our destiny, doing nothing
about it?

Without the help of man kind, nature created the beautiful land ,
without the help of man kind, nature destroy the beautiful land as
well. Though we are at the mercy of the nature, though we cannot go
against the nature when it come for destruction, we can prepare.
Prevent and preserve the beautiful land from the total destruction by
the nature itself. We are man kind a special animals species. Some
time we could be called creators of our own, and we are the destroyers
of our own .

That is where the “ ugly ” word comes in. No land , no country is “
ugly ”, only those who lives on that land can be “ ugly ” because of
ignorant, lack of education etc. When ugly people from other places
involve, it will be more ugly. Generally speaking m because of Greed,
Anger, Egoism. Our legends told us all because of these three , we
lost our trees which bore everything we need for our living.

Wanting to leave something good for the next generation is the best we
can do. At least to let them know our experience, and pass on our
knowledge . Take what they need , and leave the rest. That is true.
Our time and their time are different, we must accept.

There is a problem, a big one, they know it but not many people accept
that. We are living in different part of the planet earth, with
different nature. Which make our needs different, which makes our way
of life different. That is made or created by the nature itself.

The earth is not a flat one Ukmyaing you know that, it is a round one
like a ball. We can never make it into a flat one. We can try, if we
want to, nobody is stopping us. But it will never be flat earth, but
we can flatten the nations, we have the power and we have the might to
do that.

Nobody knows everything, except Buddha. We all are the seekers of
truth, we are the researchers, we are the explorers . Because we want
to know more truth than Four Noble Truth which was said by Buddha .
Because he allowed us to have self experience. Man kind have come to
the stage that achieve the power of creations, and the power of
destruction. We have become so powerful in a sense, but we cannot
eliminate Greed, Anger and Egoism. when we misuse the power, it ends
up in destruction, all hell go lose Ukmyaing. The power we use was
more than to have war rather than for Peace, let us not kid ourselves.
The worse thing is we always say is something to justify ourselves,
our actions, which means lies, lies and lies and more lies. To
ourselves and to others.

Thou shall not tell lies against anybody, against anything that is by
every religion or in our way of life. .

With due respect to you Ukmyaing, I don’t want to talk too much about
UN and its agencies. I have my views, and my opinions on them. After
all representatives, of members nations in the UN are already talking
about reforming the UN , its works etc. I am an outsider. This year
AGM Colonel Gadaffi of Libya had said enough of it. You yourself is
working there , you know more than I do. But my wishes are my wishes,
these are not for me, not for my personnel benefits, you know that.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge on United nations. But sad to know
that UNDP was under the order of the US had to cut off funding
Myanmar. It confirms United Nation is not United Nation as I thought
or as everybody want to be, it is in the pocket of US.

But I still would like to know who is the threat to the world
security? Who are the terrorists? What makes them called terrorists ?
I have my views on this so have many people in the world. Are these
people looking themselves in the mirror?

Only in my article yesterday I questioned again, about this 1988
events in Union of Myanmar. Was Myanmar framed, was Myanmar set up.
Was it the work of CIA of US, or MI6 of UK or coordinated work of US
and UK. Sory to drag her in , Mrs Aris as OO7 Lady James Bond who was
trained and groomed in UK . Was it a pure coincident Mrs Aris happened
to be there i9n Myanmar as well as Christopher Gunness of the BBC
world service, at the same time. Especially when the West was
campaigning for for Mrs Aris, but for nobody else.

You have to educate me on this Ukmyaing . If you are not bound with
secrecy act, would you care to give me the list of nations investing
in Myanmar in your next reply.
My view is, if each individual countries because of 1988 events, or
any other reasons imposed economic sanctions on Myanmar, then the
welfare of the people of Myanmar should be taken care of by the United
Nations and its agencies, because Myanmar is still a member nation of
the UN, and it still pays its dues. As UN declared Myanmar as Least
Developed Country , it is right and justify that UN should help
Myanmars for more developments.

You know as well as I do, UN hands are tight, UN can hardly move. UN
is not a Free, Independent Organization, in the Free World, you know
what I mean . Tell me if I am wrong Ukmyaing please.

Eh hah, “ all Myanmar should work hard ”. Ko Aung San said it before .
If only Myanmars cared to listen to him. Myanmar would be different.
Did they listen to him as a leader. He is dead, so his words nd his
ideas are dead as well is it? But they never stop talking about him
reciting his name as a mantra, as if its like Buddha’s words.
What for ? How much do the people follow Buddha’s word, let alone Ko
Aung San’s.

RIT from Russia. I also remember Intermediate College buildings were
the Present of US, and The Theatre in front of M<yoma School was the
present of P.R China. What did U Nu had to pay, as return present
there was no say. Barter system or Konjin Phale Sanit was not a
forgotten trade between nations, even today some nation are still
practicing the system.

Our former beloved Prime Minister U Nu visit to US, and met, the then
President Dwight Eisenhower ( Ex US General of WW II) . U Nu was
advised to protest US on given away rice free to others nations. Which
make rice growing country such as Myanmar which was one called rice
bowl of Asia suffers, rice price gone down, no sale.

What U Nu said was US is feeding the hungry is a noble job, If he
protest it will be against his Buddhism belief, he should not protest
nor object to it.

On this , in my view, U Nu was not even a politician, he did not
understand politic, he did not understand economic , he did not under
anything at all, but he was the choice of the people. His own
confession he did not want to be a politician, he became politician ,
because Ko Aung San on request . Right or wrong, if U Nu carried on as
PM after 1962, there would be no Union of Myanmar left . Believe it or
not Ukmyaing.
Can you give me one strong point of U Nu. Because am seeing U Nu as a
weak man , very weak. It was all the respect of everybody which he
lasted 13 years, please don’t forget that , please.

That was very noble of U Nu, who did not have had Noble Peace Prize,
compare to someone in Myanmar today, who is making Myanmars suffers,
some opposition reports are saying in some parts of Myanmar, people
have no rice to eat. True of not I don’t know that is what the
opposition are saying. I have never been to those parts of Myanmar, I
have never seen Myanmars are starving, or have no rice to eat, in the
parts that I have been.

No Ukmyaing Myanmar did not go to Britain or France to conquered , but
Myanmars went to them to learn, with honesty, with sincerity to make
Myanmar modern developed nation like today SPDC’s idea came from
Myamar envoys led by U Koung (Kin Wun ) who went to Britain and
France. But Britain and ...

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:12:37 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: NO VOICE TOO SMALL.
 Buddism as we know it was already in upper Myanmar as early as 1AD,
chinese record indicated what they witnessed by their diplomatic
mission. Written form of Ti-pidika perhaps with other Buddhism related
relic etc might have been the subject of request. The way Manuha king
was accorded in Pagan kingdom indicated that Anawyahta was not villain
as some misguided history tellers would like to portray.

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 More options Nov 4, 2:17 pm
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From: mogyothwar <ziza...@globalnet.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:17:45 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 2:17 pm
Subject: Re: NO VOICE TOO SMALL.
On Nov 4, 12:02 am, "Non scrivetemi"

Dear FD,

Well interrupted, thanks.  Because of you some people are learning
more. at least you surely are refreshing my memories as well.

You are right,  some records even said that Buddha Himself was in
upper Burma . Standing on top of Tant Kyi Taung ( hill ) prophesying
the coming of the city of Mandalay, and not to forget Set Taw Yar,
which is said to be his foot print ,on top of Mandalay hill guarded by
two serpents, which he left etc.

If that is the case,  it must be long before 1AD.  Don’t you think?

The difference of 6 centuries is more than something.

Shwedagon Thamaing also says, there are relics of four Buddhas’,
inside, including some hairs of the latest one Siddhartha Gautama.
His kindness of rewarding eight of his hairs to the two brothers
traders, Taphottha and Balika. who brought them over to Myanmar.

As a matter of fact Shwedagon was in the domain of Mon Kingdom at that
time while Gautama Buddha was still living.

The Christian Bible, Old Testaments said Pharaoh of Egypt Ramsey
slaughtered every first born child.

In New Testaments the same event happened , pregnant Mary had to run
away , with Jesus Christ inside her.

Anawratha was a Great King. He has done many great jobs. With regards
to Buddhism, he made contact with Thiho( Ceylon) China on friendly
basis.  As you have said, some misguided historian portrayed him
almost the same as some other villains in other parts of the
world.      How many historians are being misguided today, I wonder.

Having said that,  many historians from the west. portrayed  Myanmars
kings in the past as villains. That is what is happening again today.
In the eyes of some in the west Sr. Gen Than Shwe and his generals are
villains,  as if other villains around the world do not exist.

Only Mindon Min was spared, because he was so honest, and sincere, so
kind and so generous , and so understanding. He allowed every Tom,
Dick and Harry into his country, all foreigners, all religions. He
encouraged them,  support them , protect them He made his children to
learn foreign languages, foreign culture and foreign civilization
without abandoning own Myanmar culture and civilisation. Not to forget
Myamars envoys were in Britain, they were in France.  His intention
was Myanmar to be modern developed nation.

Sometimes, honesty and sincerity, kindness and generosity or
understanding are taken as weakness.  That is why, there is a saying
in the West, “ you have to be cruel to be kind ”.  That is absolutely
not Myanmar saying, that is the saying of the west.

Anyway thanks FD.

Regards,

MGT.


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From: Kita Phong <k...@letthai.co.th>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:35:45 +1000
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 11:35 pm
Subject: Re: NO VOICE TOO SMALL.
Burmese Buddhists are the worst kind of Buddhists.
When they got from that Indian guy King Anawrahta
they got it violently.

They don't believe in Buddha's teachings. Look at their
illegal dictators. They commit the heinous crime by putting
Lady Prime Minister under house arrest and steal national coffer.

Then they associate those stolen money with Buddha
by building sham pagodas. Hijacking and abusing Buddha's teachings
in grand scale shamelessly.


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