Senior General Than Shwe, 76, head of the junta, is said to be hoping to stand down next year, for reasons of age and possible infirmity. He was committed to the regime's so-called "road map" to democracy and felt he had done "a good job" in holding the country together, one analyst said. Now Than Shwe wanted to secure his legacy and the future safety of himself and his family by regularising, within defined limits, Burma's relations with the west.
THAT IS WHAT THAN SHWE THINKS BUT HE HAS RUIN THE COUNTRY. HE HAS NOT NEVER HAS DONE A GOOD JOB. HE IS A MURDERER AND RAPIST. HE SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN SECURITY ANY WHERE IN THIS WORLD. HE SHOULD BE TRIED FOR MURDER AND ETHNIC CLENCHING AND GENOCIDE. THE PEOPLE'S BLOOD IS STILL WET ON HIS HANDS AND THAT OF HIS GENERALS.
On Oct 30, 3:53 am, "labour" <twe...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Senior General Than Shwe, 76, head of the junta, is said to be hoping to > stand down next year, for reasons of age and possible infirmity. He was > committed to the regime's so-called "road map" to democracy and felt he > had done "a good job" in holding the country together, one analyst said. > Now Than Shwe wanted to secure his legacy and the future safety of himself > and his family by regularising, within defined limits, Burma's relations > with the west.
> THAT IS WHAT THAN SHWE THINKS BUT HE HAS RUIN THE COUNTRY. HE HAS NOT NEVER > HAS DONE A GOOD JOB. HE IS A MURDERER AND RAPIST. HE SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN > SECURITY ANY WHERE IN THIS WORLD. HE SHOULD BE TRIED FOR MURDER AND ETHNIC > CLENCHING AND GENOCIDE. THE PEOPLE'S BLOOD IS STILL WET ON HIS HANDS AND > THAT OF HIS GENERALS.
Lay-bor, my boy,
You are a brave man. A hero perhaps, who deserves Purple Heart, may be another Noble Peace Prize..
You accused him saying " HE IS A MURDERER AND RAPIST." behind his back. Have you seen he actually did it? Was one of your relatives been his victim.
How many murderers and rapists do you think there are around, in near and far of you? How many leaders of nations do you think they have their hands blood still dripping, let alone, blood still wet on their hands?
I have been told that there are evidences and proofs that you are one of those in 1988, riots who 's been raping some girls in the chaos. You also chopped the heads off. some people in Okkalapa and Thaketa. You are one of those who set alight a police station burned it down with people still inside the building.
There are independent eyes witnesses against you. Their statements are recorded on papers as well as tapes and videos. All these witnesses are still alive ,you know. Is that why and how you escped from Myanmar? I believe them, because you sounded like you yourself is a blood thirsty boy.
You can run, but you can not hide my boy. Show yourself, why don't you come back to Myanmar and clear your name first? Justice awaits you.
Don't pretend to be stupid, because you are not. You know quite well that TS ordered oppression to be carried out by the Tatmadaw. Like Radovan Karadzic of former Yugoslavia, who currently stands trial before the United Nations war crimes tribunal in The Hague (even while he refuses to be present) for genocide, TS did not commit those crimes with his own bare hands, but he gave orders to the Tatmadaw for various kinds of human rights violations, including murder and rape. Well, he may not have ordered rape explicitly, but he gave the Tatmadaw the authority and right to do whatever necessary to force people to stop resisting the junta and to obey them. Rape cases were never punished to the offenders as far as I know.
TS is also responsible for the total destruction of thousands of villages, the dispelling of its inhabitants and robbing them from their scanty possessions. He can be accused of many more crimes, like deprivation of freedom, robbing, destruction of the country's economy, torture, most of which can be summarised as crimes towards humanity, severe human rights violations. The expelling and killing of Rohingyas is a very sad, recent example. I hope he will still live when brought to trial and hears his sentence. That would be best to many survivors of his cruel rule.
Crimes like lying, deceiving, disregarding the people's wishes, (violently) forcing the people to assent with the junta's wishes, rigging voting results and referendum procedures do not fall in the category of HR violations, but on itself are serious enough to convict him for. Yet he should not be the only one to stand trial, his fellow generals should join him as well as many other high ranked and responsible officers. They all acted consciously and deliberately for reasons of self-enrichment and perverted exercise of power, not for reasons of protecting the Burmese people or liberating them from some other source of repression or fighting (inter)national terrorists targeting innocent people.
You obviously chose the wrong and eventually losing side, it would be good for you to experience that while still alive too, because you can't be prosecuted for anything you said and will say (write) in SCB and other forums, unless calling for carrying out all kinds of human rights violations, provoking others to commit those. Internet forums have freedom of speech and information exchange and talking/writing in principle is not prohibited or punishable. I would like to keep it that way.
You must know quite a lot about our fellow Labour for accusing him of specific crimes. Would you want to make some impression with your made up list of crimes? Or do you keep him responsible for what happened in 1988? Do we also have to keep you responsible for what happened in 1988 and since then? I sincerely hope not.
Regards, JRB
James Russell Brownwood James.Russell.Brownw...@Gmail.com Justice Reforms Burma http://jrburma.int.tf (@NLM archives, PGP public key)
Disclaimer: these views are entirely my own and unrelated to my nationality, my home country and its political stances and they are independent of and not contrary to my views on other similar events and human rights violations elsewhere in the world.
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Than Shwe, above the law, escapes conviction for genocide, crimes against humanity, while Aung San Suu Kyi has been convicted for offering hospitality to a stranger; all that because of the junta's excessive, rigid, invalid, unfair and undue laws and orders.
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> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:53:49 -0700, "labour" <twe...@iinet.net.au> wrote: > >Senior General Than Shwe, 76, head of the junta, is said to be hoping to > >stand down next year, for reasons of age and possible infirmity. He was > >committed to the regime's so-called "road map" to democracy and felt he > >had done "a good job" in holding the country together, one analyst said. > >Now Than Shwe wanted to secure his legacy and the future safety of himself > >and his family by regularising, within defined limits, Burma's relations > >with the west.
> >THAT IS WHAT THAN SHWE THINKS BUT HE HAS RUIN THE COUNTRY. HE HAS NOT NEVER > >HAS DONE A GOOD JOB. HE IS A MURDERER AND RAPIST. HE SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN > >SECURITY ANY WHERE IN THIS WORLD. HE SHOULD BE TRIED FOR MURDER AND ETHNIC > >CLENCHING AND GENOCIDE. THE PEOPLE'S BLOOD IS STILL WET ON HIS HANDS AND > >THAT OF HIS GENERALS.
> Please don't let him die before he stands before the war crimes tribunal for > crimes against humanity, please, please don't let him die.
My dear poor little boy JRB,
Honestly and frankly speaking, you are not worth to talk to. But I don’t want to discriminate against you. I want to educate you. Shower you with knowledge that you should know. to be worth Human Being.
I don’t blame you totally , because as I have said before , you are not my level. You may not understand everything I am saying. You have learning difficulty. That is something to do with your IQ. Knowledge of everything which concern the man kind, the peoples and the nations, the world, the universe. Whoever you are, whatever you are, you must be a specie worth calling human specie.
Some people advised me not to waste my time on you. Why not I said, have pity on JRB, because he needs more then others, he is a handicapped. Have compassion I told them . After all this is my own time .
How I wish you repeat after me, echoing what I said. OR you better keep your mouth shut. Zip it. The more you opened your mouth, the more it smells foul. The more you talk, they more everybody knows you are a fool, a stupid idiot, you are an ignorant. A very ignorant one. They know that is because you are blind.
JRB, you don’t even have any guts to tell us which country you belong to. Because you are a fake, a impersonator. Or you may be ashamed of for what your country has done on others. You dare not show your true face, wearing a mask. Your country’s ,and you people’s violation of human rights, murders, rapes, and genocide. Yu dare not even look at your own hands because you will see how many fingers are pointing at you?
You always said , “ we are talking about Myanmar ” to justify yourself and to cover up, hide the crimes of your people, and your country. The only word you used was “ my own country” , sweeping everything under the carpet.
For the public to know I am asking to you again now, “ which is your country ?” I will single out your country as you single out Myanmar. Not to disturb others.
Radovan Karadzic at present or Slovoden Milosevic. Or those from Nazi Germany before them . OR Duce Mussolini or Italy, Napoleon of France. Pol Pot of Cambodia. Who else?
These accusation from you are familiar. False accusations, set up and frames by the west are familiar by everybody in the world. Make up stories. With their own back ups and own supports. Most of all their military has to back them up, support them. These are all the same old tricks which people of the world are very familiar with.
When others accuse you or others of something, you don’t like it. you have questions. I asked Labour to go to Myanmar and clear his name. Did I or, did I not? Are there ants in your pants?
1988 was the era of Sr. General Saw Maung. before him was Dr. Maung Maung. And before him was Gen Ne Win or U Ne Win. You may see them guilty in your eyes. You put everything on TS head. Is that what you are trying to do? In which way they are guilty, you need to explain a little.
Did they invaded any country on false information? Did they attack any country on false information, with their own make up stories, set up, framed and fabricated stories? For being communist or for being socialist, or for being capitalist? For being not their friends, for being friend of their foes, friends of their enemies? For not being with the west, for being against the west? Have they really committed war crimes, murders, genocide and rapes.
Are there any other who deserves to be put on trial, for war crimes, crimes against humanity, murder, genocide, rapes the people as well as the nation? What do you suggest we should do? Don’t just say, “ you are talking about Myanmar TS. Don’t be a f - - -king hypocrite JRB. Grow up and be a man. To fit into the human society as a human. You are not called a human because your head is on your two shoulders. You have along ay to go yet in life. So there is enough time for you to put sense, commonsense into your head.
Everybody have their own reasons to do something or the other. let alone to justify themselves. According to the principals . “ Cause and effect ”. Justification is for the excuse, not for the reasons.
Here, what you need to know is , a leader of a nation will do anything, during the process to have progress and development. He will go to any length to protect his people, to defend his nation. That is understandable. That is accept for anybody who has their won people and their own country ( nation).
If you have studied the making of a Nation, building of a nation, including your own . You would not be talking all these none sense and rubbish like a yesterday born child. Judging on this, I called you, “ my dear poor little boy JRB ”. Because your education is poor, very poor and you are one of the Lilliputians, little people.
By the way, I don’t know quite well. But I know what you are saying, the same thing again and again. Every minute, every hour everyday. As if they are real, as if they are true. You keep repeating again and again , echoing others. You don’t even know what you are echoing.
When the wolves howl, you howl. When the dogs bark, you bark. That is real, YOU .
JRB why don’t you be honest to yourself sometimes, confess to yourself, admit to yourself you don’t know anything, nothing at all. You do not see anything , you heard or may had over heard of some people are saying. May be second hand, may be third hands news. You may be reading yesterday papers telling yesterday news. Check the dates OK. As a matter of fact, the date may be today, but the news is from yesterday , from last night. Because the papers were printed last night to sell this morning.
Now a days, “ sell by dated ” are very popular, as well as “ buy one get one free ”. Don’t you think they are becoming cheap. If they don‘t sell it like that, it will be wasted. How fresh are they anyway?
It’s been 64 years now. The west never stop talking about Adolf Hitler, Nazi. It been only 64 years , the west talking about democracy. Before that . Before Hitler or Japan rise , the west , never uttered a word about Democracy or human rights. They were enjoying their life living on others. Exploiting others. I called them pesticides.
To borrow your own words they have been “ raping ”, the whole world which was called their Empire. But only when their Empire strike back, they talk about Democracy and they talked about human rights. They already have done the damage to their former colonies, and their former colonial slaves.
I have a list of some people in my mind who should be put on trial . To me mention a few names, George W Bush, (US). Tony Blair (UK ) and their Generals plus some of the heads of the EU countries.
You may argue that, they haven’t done anything against their own people. You don’t know do you. Their own people rise up against them. Prominent people are untouched but how many were quietly taken away especially Muslims, as terrorists , sympathizers. Not to forget that some are accuse as “ preaching hatred ” and are arrested , detained and put in prisons, many without trial, without legal aid.
Generally speaking they may not be doing to their own people, but what they are doing to others, are they fair, are they just ? The world shows everyday of their disapprovals of this. Even UN said , that is illegal war. Do you know what the word “ illegal ” means ?
UN has the responsibility to rehabilitate the people who are suffering. That is generally understood. But many people are interpreting and translating that what UN is doing , helping the sufferers as “ legalising the war, legitimising the war. How’s that?
But what do US and UK care? George W Bush and Tony Blair are gone. Gerald Ford, Lyndon Johnson, Nixon are gone. Why don’t you ask the Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Laotians about , what they think of them ?
Your interpretation is yours. My interpretations are mine of course. I am proud to say, , I will say it loud and take a pride, that I am a Myanmar, and Union of Myanmar is my country. Do you have any pride to say which country you belong to, what nationality you are?
Look at it, what sort of a animal are you to say, “ Disclaimer: these views are entirely my own and unrelated to my nationality, my home country and its political stances and they are independent of and not contrary to my views on other similar events and human rights violations elsewhere in the world.”
You know want to know what my interpretation is, it is that you disassociate yourself, from your country, from your people and the political system and from everything. When will you disassociate yourself from Christianity and the Holy Bible JRB ?
Don’t say, you are a Christian and a Citizen Of the Planet Earth ( COPE). We had one before, here. Many people changed names, to hide their tracks. They may have their
Come on, be fair and serious, this the free internet, where we all are equal and equally smart. We both know that neither of us is stupid. Calling each other stupid contributes nothing to the people of Burma. I want to talk about Burma, not about you or me. We disagree completely, that's quite clear, but I want to discuss each other's viewpoints. I would like to know what our basic differences are and discuss those with you.
For example, to you the political path towards 2010 and further is rather evident, all based on the conditions that partially are described in the 2008 Constitution and in the regulations set up by the junta around the arrangements of the 2010 elections. Within those limits there may be variations leading to different election results.
To the opposition the range of allowed participation and potential election outcomes is much too small. It all has to do with a basic difference in view on the value and authority of the 2008 Constitution. The opposition largely rejects that Constitution, because it mainly has been drawn up by junta supporters, not democratically, because the previous history in the course towards the Constitution hasn't been democratical and because the voting procedures and processes have been rigged.
That basic difference in view on the Constitution leads to different views on the value of the upcoming elections. That is quite understandable. So, when discussing and disputing the elections and the quite opposite views on those, one at least should also discuss the Constitution and the different views about that as the cause for the differences in the views on the elections. Only then one may understand each other (better), even without agreeing.
So far my sincere suggestions on how to approach each other while disagreeing. BTW, do you want to know where my views around Burma come from, where they are rooted? Not from myself, nor from the West, but from the Burmese people inside Burma (and some outside), who clearly have been demonstrating their desires and who clearly ask for foreign support to relieve them from the heavy burden of hostile occupation by the dictators and their army, the Tatmadaw.
S/M, I would like to invite you to clarify your already known view on one of the basic issues: the 2008 Constitution, the (allegedly rigged) voting process, its contents (democratic or not), especially _why_ you think as you do. E.g. has their been rigging of voting procedures, according to you, and if not, then how do you think about the various reports on rigging? All rubbish?
Enough for now, let's try to approach each other fairly as men, as equals. Forget about past (too personally discrediting) postings, I'm not sensitive to those anyway. Try to remain serious, not shocked, not insulted, not angry, but rational and honest. This applies to anyone in SCB. I hope it may yet become a (somewhat) fruitful and interesting exchange of ideas.
Regards, JRB
James Russell Brownwood James.Russell.Brownw...@Gmail.com Justice Reforms Burma http://jrburma.int.tf (@NLM archives, PGP public key)
Disclaimer: these views are entirely my own and unrelated to my nationality, my home country and its political stances and they are independent of and not contrary to my views on other similar events and human rights violations elsewhere in the world.
>>> T h e w o r l d u p s i d e >>> <<< ¡ u m o p <<<
Than Shwe, above the law, escapes conviction for genocide, crimes against humanity, while Aung San Suu Kyi has been convicted for offering hospitality to a stranger; all that because of the junta's excessive, rigid, invalid, unfair and undue laws and orders.
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> Come on, be fair and serious, this the free internet, where we all are > equal and equally smart. We both know that neither of us is stupid. > Calling each other stupid contributes nothing to the people of Burma. > I want to talk about Burma, not about you or me. We disagree > completely, that's quite clear, but I want to discuss each other's > viewpoints. I would like to know what our basic differences are and > discuss those with you.
> For example, to you the political path towards 2010 and further is > rather evident, all based on the conditions that partially are > described in the 2008 Constitution and in the regulations set up by > the junta around the arrangements of the 2010 elections. Within those > limits there may be variations leading to different election results.
> To the opposition the range of allowed participation and potential > election outcomes is much too small. It all has to do with a basic > difference in view on the value and authority of the 2008 > Constitution. The opposition largely rejects that Constitution, > because it mainly has been drawn up by junta supporters, not > democratically, because the previous history in the course towards the > Constitution hasn't been democratical and because the voting > procedures and processes have been rigged.
> That basic difference in view on the Constitution leads to different > views on the value of the upcoming elections. That is quite > understandable. So, when discussing and disputing the elections and > the quite opposite views on those, one at least should also discuss > the Constitution and the different views about that as the cause for > the differences in the views on the elections. Only then one may > understand each other (better), even without agreeing.
> So far my sincere suggestions on how to approach each other while > disagreeing. BTW, do you want to know where my views around Burma come > from, where they are rooted? Not from myself, nor from the West, but > from the Burmese people inside Burma (and some outside), who clearly > have been demonstrating their desires and who clearly ask for foreign > support to relieve them from the heavy burden of hostile occupation by > the dictators and their army, the Tatmadaw.
> S/M, I would like to invite you to clarify your already known view on > one of the basic issues: the 2008 Constitution, the (allegedly rigged) > voting process, its contents (democratic or not), especially _why_ you > think as you do. E.g. has their been rigging of voting procedures, > according to you, and if not, then how do you think about the various > reports on rigging? All rubbish?
> Enough for now, let's try to approach each other fairly as men, as > equals. Forget about past (too personally discrediting) postings, I'm > not sensitive to those anyway. Try to remain serious, not shocked, not > insulted, not angry, but rational and honest. This applies to anyone > in SCB. I hope it may yet become a (somewhat) fruitful and interesting > exchange of ideas.
> Regards, > JRB
> James Russell Brownwood > James.Russell.Brownw...@Gmail.com > Justice Reforms Burmahttp://jrburma.int.tf(@NLM archives, PGP public key)
> Disclaimer: these views are entirely my own and unrelated to my > nationality, my home country and its political stances and they are > independent of and not contrary to my views on other similar events > and human rights violations elsewhere in the world.
> >>> T h e w o r l d u p s i d e >>> <<< ¡ u m o p <<<
> Than Shwe, above the law, escapes conviction for genocide, crimes > against humanity, while Aung San Suu Kyi has been convicted for > offering hospitality to a stranger; all that because of the junta's > excessive, rigid, invalid, unfair and undue laws and orders.
This trailing coffee stuffs was a perfect example of being a mad dog
a criminal - stranger (Coffee Version)
hiding a criminal pussyfootingly - offering hospitality (Coffee Version)