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bra...@lenend.org  
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:53:27 GMT
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Subject: Hard trigonometry integration
integration of sin^4(x + sin 3x) dx

from x = 0 to x = pi.

any idea.?

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Here is I tried

If Let f(x) = sin(x + sin 3x)

I find that f(x) = f(-x)

There are 3 value of x such that f(x) = 0,

f(0) = f(pi) = 0 and f(some value) = 0.

no symetry about x = pi/2

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Can anyone solve this problem.?

TIA

Braver


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 More options Nov 23 2009, 4:17 am
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From: Robert Israel <isr...@math.MyUniversitysInitials.ca>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:17:36 -0600
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Subject: Re: Hard trigonometry integration

Bra...@lenend.org writes:
> integration of sin^4(x + sin 3x) dx

> from x = 0 to x = pi.

> any idea.?

By symmetry, integrate from 0 to 2 pi and divide by 2.

sin^4(x+t) = 3/8 - 1/2 cos(2 x + 2 t) + 1/8 cos(4 x + 4 t)
           = 3/8 - 1/2 cos(2 x) cos(2 t) + 1/2 sin(2 x) sin(2 t)
                + 1/8 cos(4 x) cos(4 t) - 1/8 sin(4 x) sin(4 t)

I'll do one of these terms: the others (apart from the 3/8)
should be similar.

Let z = exp(i x), dz = i z dx.  
As x goes from 0 to 2 pi, z goes once around unit circle C
counterclockwise.    We have
cos(2 sin(3 x)) = cos(-i z^3 + i/z^3) = cosh(z^3-1/z^3)
and cos(2 x) = (z^2 + 1/z^2)/2.  So

int_0^{2 pi} cos(2 x) cos(2 sin(3 x)) dx
= int_C (z^2 + 1/z^2)/2 cosh(z^3-1/z^3) (iz)^(-1) dz

When expanded in a Laurent series about z=0, cosh(z^3 - 1/z^3) will have only
terms involving z to powers divisible by 3.  Thus the residue of
(z^2 + 1/z^2)/2 cosh(z^3 - 1/z^3) at z=0 (which is the only singularity inside
the circle) is 0, so this integral is 0.
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Department of Mathematics        http://www.math.ubc.ca/~israel
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 More options Nov 23 2009, 5:36 am
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:36:11 GMT
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Subject: Re: Hard trigonometry integration

On 23-Nov-2009, Robert Israel <isr...@math.MyUniversitysInitials.ca> wrote:

Thank you very much for your idea. :))

But this problem taken from highschool math contest.

Student don't know Laurent series or anything of hyperbolic sine.

I will try to follow your idea.

But if anyone can solve this problem in elementary ways.

Please tell me.

TIA

Braver


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 More options Nov 23 2009, 3:52 pm
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From: William Elliot <ma...@rdrop.remove.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:52:08 -0800
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Subject: Re: Hard trigonometry integration
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 Bra...@legend.org wrote:

A transcription error for
        integeral (sin^4 x + sin 3x) dx
was made.

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 More options Nov 23 2009, 5:31 pm
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:31:10 GMT
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Subject: Re: Hard trigonometry integration

On 23-Nov-2009, William Elliot <ma...@rdrop.remove.com> wrote:

Hello Wiliiam

It's integeral sin^4(x + sin 3x) dx not integeral (sin^4 x + sin 3x) dx

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 More options Nov 23 2009, 7:49 pm
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From: Axel Vogt <&nore...@axelvogt.de>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:49:55 +0100
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Subject: Re: Hard trigonometry integration

Here is another attempt, incomplete, may be you can make it sound.

It seems that Int( sin(2^k*x+sin(3*x))^4, x = 0 .. Pi) is the same for
all k, k a positive integer.

Asymptotical 2^k*x+sin(3*x) ~ 2^k*x+O(1), (2^k*x+c)/(2^k*x+sin(3*x))=1
for any c.

Now Int( sin(2^k*x+c)^4, x = 0 .. Pi) can be computed and if k is some
positive integer it is 3/8*Pi.

However I used Maple to play with that question ...


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 More options Nov 23 2009, 10:47 pm
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From: snipthis.aig...@myrealbox.com (Leon Aigret)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:47:43 GMT
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Subject: Re: Hard trigonometry integration

That solution suggests the usefulness of a threefold symmetry.

Now for f(x) = sin^4(x +  sin 3x) one has

f(x + 2pi/3) = sin^4(x +  sin 3x + 2pi/3)). It is easily seen that

cos t + cos (t + 2pi/3) + cos (t + 4pi/3) = 0 for all t and combined

with sin^4 t = 3/8 - 1/2 cos 2t + 1/8 cos 4t it follows that

f(x) + f(x + 2pi/3) + f(x + 4pi/3) = 9/8. Time to say etcetera.

Leon


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 More options Nov 23 2009, 11:54 pm
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:54:10 -0500
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Subject: Re: Hard trigonometry integration
Another off-the-wall idea ... the sin(3*x) is somehow "independent" of
the plain x, so that we get

(1/Pi)*int(int(sin(x+t)^4,x=0..Pi)/sqrt(1-t^2),t=-1..1);

                                    3  
                                    - Pi
                                    8


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 More options Nov 24 2009, 3:22 am
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From: Axel Vogt <&nore...@axelvogt.de>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:22:48 +0100
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Subject: Re: Hard trigonometry integration

A N Niel wrote:
> Another off-the-wall idea ... the sin(3*x) is somehow "independent" of
> the plain x, so that we get

> (1/Pi)*int(int(sin(x+t)^4,x=0..Pi)/sqrt(1-t^2),t=-1..1);

>                                     3  
>                                     - Pi
>                                     8

Would you mind to say a bit about that? It puzzles me.

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 More options Nov 24 2009, 11:58 pm
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:58:08 GMT
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Subject: Re: Hard trigonometry integration

On 23-Nov-2009, Axel Vogt <&nore...@axelvogt.de> wrote:

Thanks Alex :))

Braver


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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:01:30 GMT
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Subject: Re: Hard trigonometry integration

On 23-Nov-2009, snipthis.aig...@myrealbox.com (Leon Aigret) wrote:

Hello Leon

Your idea look great :))

But I don't understand all.

What does it mean when f(x + 2pi/3) = sin^4(x +  sin 3x + 2pi/3)) .?

You mean that int f(x) = int (x + 2pi/3) = int(x + 4pi/3) ? [x = 0 to pi]

Can you explain me more.

TIA

Braver


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 More options Nov 25 2009, 11:36 am
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:36:07 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Hard trigonometry integration
On Nov 22, 3:17 pm, Robert Israel

I hate to be fussy, but how can the integral of the positive quantity $
\sin^4(x+\sin 3x))$ be zero?

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From: David W. Cantrell <DWCantr...@sigmaxi.net>
Date: 25 Nov 2009 04:46:39 GMT
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Subject: Re: Hard trigonometry integration

If you actually were fussy, you would have read Robert's post more
carefully.

> but how can the integral of the positive quantity $
> \sin^4(x+\sin 3x))$ be zero?

It can't be. But clearly, when he said "so this integral is 0", he was
referring to int_0^{2 pi} cos(2 x) cos(2 sin(3 x)) dx, rather than to the
originally posed integral (the value of which is 3/8 * pi).

David


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 More options Nov 25 2009, 9:51 pm
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From: snipthis.aig...@myrealbox.com (Leon Aigret)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:51:59 GMT
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Subject: Re: Hard trigonometry integration

[skipping remainder of solution]

>> >Thank you very much for your idea. :))

>> >But this problem taken from highschool math contest.

>> >Student don't know Laurent series or anything of hyperbolic sine.

>> >I will try to follow your idea.

>> >But if anyone can solve this problem in elementary ways.

>> >Please tell me.

>> That solution suggests the usefulness of a threefold symmetry.

[skipping remainder of sketched solution]

>Your idea look great :))

>But I don't understand all.

Sorry, that was a very sketchy sketch of a solution. A more formal
version would have been:

Let u = u(x) = x + sin 3x, so f(x) = sin^4(u). and also

f(x + 2pi/3) = sin^4(x + 2pi/3 +  sin 3(x + 2pi/3)) =

       = sin^4(x + 2pi/3 +  sin 3x) = sin^4(u + 2pi/3) and

f(x + 4pi/3) = sin^4(u + 4pi/3).

Using the easily verified identities

sin^4 t = 3/8 - 1/2 cos 2t + 1/8 cos 4t and

cos t + cos (t + 2pi/3) + cos (t + 4pi/3) = 0, one gets

f(x) + f(x + 2pi/3) + f(x + 4pi/3) =

 = sin^4(u) + sin^4(u + 2pi/3) + sin^4(u + 4pi/3) =

 = 3/8 - 1/2 cos 2u + 1/8 cos 4u +

    + 3/8 - 1/2 cos 2(u + 2pi/3) + 1/8 cos 4(u + 2pi/3) +

    + 3/8 - 1/2 cos 2(u + 4pi/3) + 1/8 cos 4(u + 4pi/3) =

 = 3/8 - 1/2 cos 2u + 1/8 cos 4u +

    + 3/8 - 1/2 cos (2u + 4pi/3) + 1/8 cos (4u + 2pi/3) +

    + 3/8 - 1/2 cos (2u + 2pi/3) + 1/8 cos (4u + 4pi/3) =

 = 9/8

As in the previous post, the final step from

f(x) + f(x + 2pi/3) + f(x + 4pi/3) = 9/8 to

Int f(x) dx over x = 0 ... 2pi equals 3pi/4

is left as an exercise for the reader :))

Hope this helps,

Leon


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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:09:33 +0100
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Subject: Re: Hard trigonometry integration

<snipped>

> As in the previous post, the final step from
> f(x) + f(x + 2pi/3) + f(x + 4pi/3) = 9/8 to
> Int f(x) dx over x = 0 ... 2pi equals 3pi/4
> is left as an exercise for the reader :))

> Hope this helps,

> Leon

But (at least for me) it seems unclear who to show
that without residue calculus and I do not see why
it is easier than

Int(1/8*cos(4*x+4*sin(3*x)),x = 0 .. Pi) = 0 and
Int(1/2*cos(2*x+2*sin(3*x)),x = 0 .. Pi) = 0


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Subject: Re: Hard trigonometry integration
On Nov 24, 11:46 pm, David W. Cantrell <DWCantr...@sigmaxi.net> wrote:

My apologies to everyone for posting late at night.

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:39:34 GMT
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Subject: Re: Hard trigonometry integration
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:09:33 +0100, Axel Vogt <&nore...@axelvogt.de>
wrote:

>Leon Aigret wrote:
>> As in the previous post, the final step from
>> f(x) + f(x + 2pi/3) + f(x + 4pi/3) = 9/8 to
>> Int f(x) dx over x = 0 ... 2pi equals 3pi/4
>> is left as an exercise for the reader :))
>But (at least for me) it seems unclear who to show
>that without residue calculus

Well, one way would be to write the integral of f(x) over [0, 2pi] as
a sum of three integrals over [0, 2pi/3], [2pi/3, 4pi/3] and
[4pi/3, 2pi] respectively, transform the last two integrals into
integrals over [0, 2pi/3] through the obvious change of integration
parameter and recombine them.

>and I do not see why
>it is easier than

>Int(1/8*cos(4*x+4*sin(3*x)),x = 0 .. Pi) = 0 and
>Int(1/2*cos(2*x+2*sin(3*x)),x = 0 .. Pi) = 0

I must have missed the part of this thread where that type of integral
was computeded without using a Laurent series or a hyperbolic
function, as the OP requested.

Leon


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 More options Nov 26 2009, 12:56 am
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:56:07 +0100
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Subject: Re: Hard trigonometry integration

A cute way, overall! Thx, now I got it.


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Subject: Re: Hard trigonometry integration

On 25-Nov-2009, snipthis.aig...@myrealbox.com (Leon Aigret) wrote:

Now I understand all. !!!

Thanksssssssssss LEON :)))

Braver


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