From what I have understood of Transient Analysis, we would like to understand some properites of the circuit when it is switched on/off like:
1. Will the circuit stabilise to its steady state. 2. How much time will the system take to achieve its steady state. 3. What kind or how much of currents/voltages do the components experience during the transient phase.
Besides these, I have seen some articles/posts where it seems like some other characteristics of the circuit can also be studied using transient analysis. In general, besides switch on/off behaviour, what else do we get from transient analysis?
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:31:52 +0100, Anand P. Paralkar wrote: > Hi,
> From what I have understood of Transient Analysis, we would like to > understand some properites of the circuit when it is switched on/off > like:
> 1. Will the circuit stabilise to its steady state. 2. How much time > will the system take to achieve its steady state. 3. What kind or how > much of currents/voltages do the components experience > during the transient phase.
> Besides these, I have seen some articles/posts where it seems like some > other characteristics of the circuit can also be studied using transient > analysis. In general, besides switch on/off behaviour, what else do we > get from transient analysis?
> Thanks, > Anand
I assume you're talking about SPICE. If so, then its transient analysis is the only way to investigate the nonlinear dynamical behavior of the system. Since _everything_ is nonlinear, it's a good check to make sure that things are happening as you expect.
> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:31:52 +0100, Anand P. Paralkar wrote: > > Hi,
> > From what I have understood of Transient Analysis, we would like to > > understand some properites of the circuit when it is switched on/off > > like:
> > 1. Will the circuit stabilise to its steady state. 2. How much time > > will the system take to achieve its steady state. 3. What kind or how > > much of currents/voltages do the components experience > > during the transient phase.
> > Besides these, I have seen some articles/posts where it seems like some > > other characteristics of the circuit can also be studied using transient > > analysis. In general, besides switch on/off behaviour, what else do we > > get from transient analysis?
> > Thanks, > > Anand
> I assume you're talking about SPICE. If so, then its transient analysis > is the only way to investigate the nonlinear dynamical behavior of the > system. Since _everything_ is nonlinear, it's a good check to make sure > that things are happening as you expect.
You can learn a lot about a circuit from a step response, i.e. slew, stability, etc. Generally you want to do a large step and a small step since the large step slewing can mask some problems that show up in the small step.
Bandgaps are interesting in transient. One place where I worked, there was a part where coupling from the DC/DC would work it's way into the bandgap in a manner where the bandgap voltage got pumped up. This happened in real life and spice, well, once spice was run with the bandgap circuit rather than just a voltage source. ;-)
>On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:31:52 +0100, Anand P. Paralkar wrote:
>> Hi,
>> From what I have understood of Transient Analysis, we would like to >> understand some properites of the circuit when it is switched on/off >> like:
>> 1. Will the circuit stabilise to its steady state. 2. How much time >> will the system take to achieve its steady state. 3. What kind or how >> much of currents/voltages do the components experience >> during the transient phase.
>> Besides these, I have seen some articles/posts where it seems like some >> other characteristics of the circuit can also be studied using transient >> analysis. In general, besides switch on/off behaviour, what else do we >> get from transient analysis?
>> Thanks, >> Anand
>I assume you're talking about SPICE. If so, then its transient analysis >is the only way to investigate the nonlinear dynamical behavior of the >system. Since _everything_ is nonlinear, it's a good check to make sure >that things are happening as you expect.
Transient analysis is large signal analysis. AC analysis is small signal only. You have to bias the network at the "operating point".
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:08:34 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:35:51 -0500, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> >wrote:
>>On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:31:52 +0100, Anand P. Paralkar wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> From what I have understood of Transient Analysis, we would like to >>> understand some properites of the circuit when it is switched on/off >>> like:
>>> 1. Will the circuit stabilise to its steady state. 2. How much time >>> will the system take to achieve its steady state. 3. What kind or how >>> much of currents/voltages do the components experience >>> during the transient phase.
>>> Besides these, I have seen some articles/posts where it seems like some >>> other characteristics of the circuit can also be studied using transient >>> analysis. In general, besides switch on/off behaviour, what else do we >>> get from transient analysis?
>>> Thanks, >>> Anand
>>I assume you're talking about SPICE. If so, then its transient analysis >>is the only way to investigate the nonlinear dynamical behavior of the >>system. Since _everything_ is nonlinear, it's a good check to make sure >>that things are happening as you expect.
>Transient analysis is large signal analysis. AC analysis is small >signal only. You have to bias the network at the "operating point".
Can you believe that, "dynamical" is actually a legitimate word ?:-)
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>>On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:35:51 -0500, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> >>wrote:
>>>On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:31:52 +0100, Anand P. Paralkar wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> From what I have understood of Transient Analysis, we would like to >>>> understand some properites of the circuit when it is switched on/off >>>> like:
>>>> 1. Will the circuit stabilise to its steady state. 2. How much time >>>> will the system take to achieve its steady state. 3. What kind or how >>>> much of currents/voltages do the components experience >>>> during the transient phase.
>>>> Besides these, I have seen some articles/posts where it seems like some >>>> other characteristics of the circuit can also be studied using transient >>>> analysis. In general, besides switch on/off behaviour, what else do we >>>> get from transient analysis?
>>>> Thanks, >>>> Anand
>>>I assume you're talking about SPICE. If so, then its transient analysis >>>is the only way to investigate the nonlinear dynamical behavior of the >>>system. Since _everything_ is nonlinear, it's a good check to make sure >>>that things are happening as you expect.
>>Transient analysis is large signal analysis. AC analysis is small >>signal only. You have to bias the network at the "operating point".
>Can you believe that, "dynamical" is actually a legitimate word ?:-)
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:37:33 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:16:13 -0700, Jim Thompson ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:08:34 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:35:51 -0500, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> >>>wrote:
[snip]
>>>>I assume you're talking about SPICE. If so, then its transient analysis >>>>is the only way to investigate the nonlinear dynamical behavior of the >>>>system. Since _everything_ is nonlinear, it's a good check to make sure >>>>that things are happening as you expect.
>>>Transient analysis is large signal analysis. AC analysis is small >>>signal only. You have to bias the network at the "operating point".
>>Can you believe that, "dynamical" is actually a legitimate word ?:-)
>Why? Would the antonym be "statical"?
It just didn't seem to "flow" smoothly... I would prefer "nonlinear dynamic behavior" ;-)
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>>On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:16:13 -0700, Jim Thompson >><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>>On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:08:34 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:35:51 -0500, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> >>>>wrote:
>[snip]
>>>>>I assume you're talking about SPICE. If so, then its transient analysis >>>>>is the only way to investigate the nonlinear dynamical behavior of the >>>>>system. Since _everything_ is nonlinear, it's a good check to make sure >>>>>that things are happening as you expect.
>>>>Transient analysis is large signal analysis. AC analysis is small >>>>signal only. You have to bias the network at the "operating point".
>>>Can you believe that, "dynamical" is actually a legitimate word ?:-)
>>Why? Would the antonym be "statical"?
>It just didn't seem to "flow" smoothly... I would prefer "nonlinear >dynamic behavior" ;-)
Jim Thompson wrote: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:37:33 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:16:13 -0700, Jim Thompson >> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:08:34 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:35:51 -0500, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> >>>> wrote:
> [snip] >>>>> I assume you're talking about SPICE. If so, then its transient analysis >>>>> is the only way to investigate the nonlinear dynamical behavior of the >>>>> system. Since _everything_ is nonlinear, it's a good check to make sure >>>>> that things are happening as you expect. >>>> Transient analysis is large signal analysis. AC analysis is small >>>> signal only. You have to bias the network at the "operating point". >>> Can you believe that, "dynamical" is actually a legitimate word ?:-) >> Why? Would the antonym be "statical"?
> It just didn't seem to "flow" smoothly... I would prefer "nonlinear > dynamic behavior" ;-)
> ...Jim Thompson
dynamical, statical, yet more bastardisation of the language imo. Now that so many people only understand text speak, I guess we'll see more of this making up words to suit the occasion.
In that context, dynamical could be replaced with plain old dynamic with no loss of meaning or grammar.
Still, English is a dynamic and living language...
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:36:27 +0000, ChrisQ <m...@devnull.com> wrote: >Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:37:33 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:16:13 -0700, Jim Thompson >>> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:08:34 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:35:51 -0500, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> >>>>> wrote:
>> [snip] >>>>>> I assume you're talking about SPICE. If so, then its transient analysis >>>>>> is the only way to investigate the nonlinear dynamical behavior of the >>>>>> system. Since _everything_ is nonlinear, it's a good check to make sure >>>>>> that things are happening as you expect. >>>>> Transient analysis is large signal analysis. AC analysis is small >>>>> signal only. You have to bias the network at the "operating point". >>>> Can you believe that, "dynamical" is actually a legitimate word ?:-) >>> Why? Would the antonym be "statical"?
>> It just didn't seem to "flow" smoothly... I would prefer "nonlinear >> dynamic behavior" ;-)
>> ...Jim Thompson
>dynamical, statical, yet more bastardisation of the language imo. Now >that so many people only understand text speak, I guess we'll see more >of this making up words to suit the occasion.
Except that "dynamical" is in the dictionary.
>In that context, dynamical could be replaced with plain old dynamic with >no loss of meaning or grammar.
Which is why the "why?" above.
>Still, English is a dynamic and living language...
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:40:44 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:36:27 +0000, ChrisQ <m...@devnull.com> wrote:
>>Jim Thompson wrote: >>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:37:33 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:16:13 -0700, Jim Thompson >>>> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:08:34 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:35:51 -0500, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> [snip] >>>>>>> I assume you're talking about SPICE. If so, then its transient analysis >>>>>>> is the only way to investigate the nonlinear dynamical behavior of the >>>>>>> system. Since _everything_ is nonlinear, it's a good check to make sure >>>>>>> that things are happening as you expect. >>>>>> Transient analysis is large signal analysis. AC analysis is small >>>>>> signal only. You have to bias the network at the "operating point". >>>>> Can you believe that, "dynamical" is actually a legitimate word ?:-) >>>> Why? Would the antonym be "statical"?
>>> It just didn't seem to "flow" smoothly... I would prefer "nonlinear >>> dynamic behavior" ;-)
>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>dynamical, statical, yet more bastardisation of the language imo. Now >>that so many people only understand text speak, I guess we'll see more >>of this making up words to suit the occasion.
>Except that "dynamical" is in the dictionary.
That's a leftist argument, sort of like the Constitution is a "living" document.
And I did say...
"Can you believe that, "dynamical" is actually a legitimate word ?:-)" ^^^^^^^^^^
>>In that context, dynamical could be replaced with plain old dynamic with >>no loss of meaning or grammar.
>Which is why the "why?" above.
>>Still, English is a dynamic and living language...
>Too dynamical, sometimes.
Part of the problem in our "Wiki way of life", is that everything is made up as you go along.
Some legal scholars are saying, today, that Obama's hate crimes law, passed yesterday, can be used to limit freedom of speech.
Given the Obama bent toward totalitarianism, I'm afraid it's likely :-(
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>>On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:36:27 +0000, ChrisQ <m...@devnull.com> wrote:
>>>Jim Thompson wrote: >>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:37:33 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:16:13 -0700, Jim Thompson >>>>> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:08:34 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:35:51 -0500, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>> I assume you're talking about SPICE. If so, then its transient analysis >>>>>>>> is the only way to investigate the nonlinear dynamical behavior of the >>>>>>>> system. Since _everything_ is nonlinear, it's a good check to make sure >>>>>>>> that things are happening as you expect. >>>>>>> Transient analysis is large signal analysis. AC analysis is small >>>>>>> signal only. You have to bias the network at the "operating point". >>>>>> Can you believe that, "dynamical" is actually a legitimate word ?:-) >>>>> Why? Would the antonym be "statical"?
>>>> It just didn't seem to "flow" smoothly... I would prefer "nonlinear >>>> dynamic behavior" ;-)
>>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>>dynamical, statical, yet more bastardisation of the language imo. Now >>>that so many people only understand text speak, I guess we'll see more >>>of this making up words to suit the occasion.
>>Except that "dynamical" is in the dictionary.
>That's a leftist argument, sort of like the Constitution is a "living" >document.
>And I did say...
>"Can you believe that, "dynamical" is actually a legitimate word ?:-)"
^^^^^^^^^^
Sure, that's why I answered as I did.
>>>In that context, dynamical could be replaced with plain old dynamic with >>>no loss of meaning or grammar.
>>Which is why the "why?" above.
>>>Still, English is a dynamic and living language...
>>Too dynamical, sometimes.
>Part of the problem in our "Wiki way of life", is that everything is >made up as you go along.
Except that a dictionary is supposed to show (or be) some sort of consensus about the language.
>Some legal scholars are saying, today, that Obama's hate crimes law, >passed yesterday, can be used to limit freedom of speech.
Surprised? Isn't that the whole purpose? There is still something left of the First Ammendment, but not much apparently.
>Given the Obama bent toward totalitarianism, I'm afraid it's likely >:-(
No surprise here. He's doing exactly what he campaigned on. Why is anyone surprised?
>>On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:35:51 -0500, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> >>wrote:
>>>On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:31:52 +0100, Anand P. Paralkar wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> From what I have understood of Transient Analysis, we would like to >>>> understand some properites of the circuit when it is switched on/off >>>> like:
>>>> 1. Will the circuit stabilise to its steady state. 2. How much time >>>> will the system take to achieve its steady state. 3. What kind or how >>>> much of currents/voltages do the components experience >>>> during the transient phase.
>>>> Besides these, I have seen some articles/posts where it seems like some >>>> other characteristics of the circuit can also be studied using transient >>>> analysis. In general, besides switch on/off behaviour, what else do we >>>> get from transient analysis?
>>>> Thanks, >>>> Anand
>>>I assume you're talking about SPICE. If so, then its transient analysis >>>is the only way to investigate the nonlinear dynamical behavior of the >>>system. Since _everything_ is nonlinear, it's a good check to make sure >>>that things are happening as you expect.
>>Transient analysis is large signal analysis. AC analysis is small >>signal only. You have to bias the network at the "operating point".
>Can you believe that, "dynamical" is actually a legitimate word ?:-)
> ...Jim Thompson
No, i can't. It came about by failure to teach limited English PhD candidates (and some post-doc researchers) to learn the few exceptions to the "Add 'ly' to get the adverb" rule back in the 1960s and 1970s. It got legitimized even though it is wrong.
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