> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:15:11 -0600, Ouroboros Rex wrote: >> flipper wrote: >>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:33:30 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com> >>>> Joe Chisolm wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:48:08 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>>> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a >>>>>> position in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, >>>>>> "Administration" ;-)
>>>>> Expect the same for some blue dogs if they vote for ObamaCare. >>>>> They will be assured if they get sacked in 2010 there will be a >>>>> job for them in the O-Mob. Your tax dollars at work....
>>>> Wow, sounds almost like Fox. You don't have to illegally sell >>>> anti-aircraft missiles to Iran to work there, but it helps. lol
>>> The sale wasn't illegal.
>> Prove it.
> Nuh-huh! The burden of proof is on the accuser, therefore it's your > responibility to prove that a crime was committed.
Ah, you also think I am the accuser.
Eleven convictions requiring presidential pardon (lol), I rest my case. =)
On Nov 5, 9:28 am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why does Sloman from Nijmegen Netherlands get > so worked up about United States politics?
Because US politics has direct effects on both the Netherlands - where I live - and Australia - where I am a citizen.
> Fidel Castro or Hugo Chávez attempting to > give the US advice might be funnier though.
Fidel could tell you a better way to organise you public health system - Cuba scores about as well as the US on statistical indicators for quality of health care, while spending a lot less money on health care that does the US.
Since you presumably are a member of fortunate majority in the US who gets health care as good as the French or the Germans (albeit at nearly twice the price) you may well find this to be a comical idea. 47 million uninsured Americans are less amused.
Site.com> wrote: > On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:53:04 +1000, David Eather <eat...@tpg.com.au> > wrote:
> >Jim Thompson wrote: > >> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a position > >> in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, "Administration" ;-)
> >> ...Jim Thompson
> >you are very lucky That I don't debate your version or "republicanism" > >and expose it for what it is.
> "What it is"???
> What!
> Expose me as really being a _Libertarian_? Smoke what you want. Fuck > what you want. "Marry" what you want. Get in my face and I'll shoot > your ass.
> Expose me as a hater of crooked politicians who steal the sheep blind > under the name of "hope and change" ?:-)
That would be Bush and Cheney. But Jim never seems to have noticed that they were crooked.
> Expose me as being for balanced budgets and "transparency"?
And thus an enthusiast for Bill Clinton, who delivered both, and unhappy with Bush and Cheney, who delivered massive budget deficits?
> Expose me as one who believes in kicking ass instead of kissing ass?
Actually, as one who believes in talking out of his ass.
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:24:16 -0600, Ouroboros Rex wrote: > Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote: >> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:15:11 -0600, Ouroboros Rex wrote: >>> flipper wrote: >>>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:33:30 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com> >>>>> Joe Chisolm wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:48:08 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>>>> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a >>>>>>> position in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, "Administration" >>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>> Expect the same for some blue dogs if they vote for ObamaCare. They >>>>>> will be assured if they get sacked in 2010 there will be a job for >>>>>> them in the O-Mob. Your tax dollars at work....
>>>>> Wow, sounds almost like Fox. You don't have to illegally sell >>>>> anti-aircraft missiles to Iran to work there, but it helps. lol
>>>> The sale wasn't illegal.
>>> Prove it.
>> Nuh-huh! The burden of proof is on the accuser, therefore it's your >> responibility to prove that a crime was committed.
> Ah, you also think I am the accuser.
> Eleven convictions requiring presidential pardon (lol), I rest my case. > =)
flipper wrote: > On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:22:46 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com> > wrote:
>> flipper wrote: >>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:15:11 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com> >>> wrote:
>>>> flipper wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:33:30 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" >>>>> <i...@casual.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Joe Chisolm wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:48:08 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a >>>>>>>> position in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, >>>>>>>> "Administration" ;-)
>>>>>>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>>>>>> Expect the same for some blue dogs if they vote for ObamaCare. >>>>>>> They will be assured if they get sacked in 2010 there will be a >>>>>>> job for them in the O-Mob. Your tax dollars at work....
>>>>>> Wow, sounds almost like Fox. You don't have to illegally sell >>>>>> anti-aircraft missiles to Iran to work there, but it helps. lol
>>>>> The sale wasn't illegal.
>>>> Prove it.
>>> Sorry, pal, but when you accuse someone of an illegal act the burden >>> of proof is on you.
>> Tell it to the prosecutors.
> Why? They already know the burden of proof is on the accuser.
>>> So tell us which law you imagine was broken and, while you're at it, >>> explain the jurisdiction of US law in Israel because they're the >>> ones who, through an intermediary, did the actual sale to what were >>> thought to be Iranian 'moderates'.
>> Well darn, I was looking forward to your explaining away the eleven >> convictions, but I guess you are not up to it.
> No one was ever charged with, much less convicted of, "selling > anti-aircraft missiles to Iran," you willfully ignorant self made > idiot liberal, but I repeat myself.
Repeat yourself all you want, serial liar. No cite = unsubstnatiated bullshit.
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:24:16 -0600, Ouroboros Rex wrote: >> Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote: >>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:15:11 -0600, Ouroboros Rex wrote: >>>> flipper wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:33:30 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" >>>>> <i...@casual.com> >>>>>> Joe Chisolm wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:48:08 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a >>>>>>>> position in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, >>>>>>>> "Administration" ;-)
>>>>>>> Expect the same for some blue dogs if they vote for ObamaCare. >>>>>>> They will be assured if they get sacked in 2010 there will be a >>>>>>> job for them in the O-Mob. Your tax dollars at work....
>>>>>> Wow, sounds almost like Fox. You don't have to illegally sell >>>>>> anti-aircraft missiles to Iran to work there, but it helps. lol
>>>>> The sale wasn't illegal.
>>>> Prove it.
>>> Nuh-huh! The burden of proof is on the accuser, therefore it's your >>> responibility to prove that a crime was committed.
>> Ah, you also think I am the accuser.
>> Eleven convictions requiring presidential pardon (lol), I rest my >> case. =)
flipper wrote: > On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:58:22 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com> > wrote:
>> flipper wrote: >>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:22:46 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com> >>> wrote:
>>>> flipper wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:15:11 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" >>>>> <i...@casual.com> wrote:
>>>>>> flipper wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:33:30 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" >>>>>>> <i...@casual.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Joe Chisolm wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:48:08 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a >>>>>>>>>> position in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, >>>>>>>>>> "Administration" ;-)
>>>>>>>>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>>>>>>>> Expect the same for some blue dogs if they vote for ObamaCare. >>>>>>>>> They will be assured if they get sacked in 2010 there will be >>>>>>>>> a job for them in the O-Mob. Your tax dollars at work....
>>>>>>>> Wow, sounds almost like Fox. You don't have to illegally sell >>>>>>>> anti-aircraft missiles to Iran to work there, but it helps. >>>>>>>> lol
>>>>>>> The sale wasn't illegal.
>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>> Sorry, pal, but when you accuse someone of an illegal act the >>>>> burden of proof is on you.
>>>> Tell it to the prosecutors.
>>> Why? They already know the burden of proof is on the accuser.
>>>>> So tell us which law you imagine was broken and, while you're at >>>>> it, explain the jurisdiction of US law in Israel because they're >>>>> the ones who, through an intermediary, did the actual sale to >>>>> what were thought to be Iranian 'moderates'.
>>>> Well darn, I was looking forward to your explaining away the >>>> eleven convictions, but I guess you are not up to it.
>>> No one was ever charged with, much less convicted of, "selling >>> anti-aircraft missiles to Iran," you willfully ignorant self made >>> idiot liberal, but I repeat myself.
>> Repeat yourself all you want, serial liar.
> You are a certifiable self made idiot.
>> No cite = unsubstnatiated >> bullshit.
> You're the one making the accusation, moron. Prove it or shut up.
flipper wrote: > On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:03:53 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com> > wrote:
>> Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote: >>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:24:16 -0600, Ouroboros Rex wrote: >>>> Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:15:11 -0600, Ouroboros Rex wrote: >>>>>> flipper wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:33:30 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" >>>>>>> <i...@casual.com> >>>>>>>> Joe Chisolm wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:48:08 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a >>>>>>>>>> position in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, >>>>>>>>>> "Administration" ;-)
>>>>>>>>> Expect the same for some blue dogs if they vote for ObamaCare. >>>>>>>>> They will be assured if they get sacked in 2010 there will be >>>>>>>>> a job for them in the O-Mob. Your tax dollars at work....
>>>>>>>> Wow, sounds almost like Fox. You don't have to illegally sell >>>>>>>> anti-aircraft missiles to Iran to work there, but it helps. >>>>>>>> lol
>>>>>>> The sale wasn't illegal.
>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>> Nuh-huh! The burden of proof is on the accuser, therefore it's >>>>> your responibility to prove that a crime was committed.
>>>> Ah, you also think I am the accuser.
>>>> Eleven convictions requiring presidential pardon (lol), I rest my >>>> case. =)
On Nov 6, 12:01 pm, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> On Nov 5, 9:28 am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Why does Sloman from Nijmegen Netherlands get > > so worked up about United States politics?
> Because US politics has direct effects on both the Netherlands - where > I live - and Australia - where I am a citizen.
> > Fidel Castro or Hugo Chávez attempting to > > give the US advice might be funnier though.
> Fidel could tell you a better way to organise you public health system > - Cuba scores about as well as the US on statistical indicators for > quality of health care,
Including heart surgery? Liver transplants?
> while spending a lot less money on health care > that does the US.
Rationed.
> Since you presumably are a member > of fortunate majority in the US who > gets health care as good as the French > or the Germans (albeit at nearly twice > the price) you may well find this to be > a comical idea. 47 million uninsured > Americans are less amused.
Nope. Uninsured.
You presumed that an aching want/need would justify moral weakness and defy mathematic logic.
There is an aspect of selling socialism that seems very much like a con game.
Did you know that the crest/seal for the Fabian Society (Gradual Socialists) is the wolf in sheeps clothing?
You thought none of the potential beneficiaries would be smart enough to realize it's a wolf?
BS > Actually, as one who believes in talking out of his ass.
So tell us about your Australian Politics. How's that immigration reform thing going there? Did you see the Movie Rabbit Proof Fence? How are you treating the Abo people now? Any PROBLEMS there in Australia?
Where do YOUR PERSONAL POLITICAL views fall on the spectrum of political views in Australia lately?
You were anxious to get out and go to Belgium, weren't you?
Why not Venezuela or Cuba?
Do the people in Belgium like having a foreign national poke his big nose into THEIR politics?
You could have tried lecturing them! That always goes well in Cuba and Venezuela! (LOL)
How did that go for you in Australia?
Did your own Australia call you a NUT and ask you to take a giant walkabout?
You probably hate patriotic Australians, too, don't you?
I've got bad news for you though. Our US kook left has blown it so bad that even the mainstream left can't stand them anymore!
The raging kook left here is making itself look like you.
The idealism of the kook left has choked on the reality of it's own self serving corruption.
The US flu shot debacle speaks VOLUMES for government health care! LOL
First there was a lot of embarassing outcry against vaccination FORCED by government. A bunch of DOCTORS refused to vaccinate their own kids, and medical personnel had to be THREATENED into vaccination. Then it turns out there is no way for the vaccine SUPPLY to be here in time anyway!
The idea of the state as our PARENT has fallen flat on it's face.
Pointing at politicians your ilk want to villify and calling them crooks might work better if there weren't so many crooks and idiots in BOTH major parties here.
The phrase "constitutional conservative" has become more popular recently.
> dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On Nov 4, 7:26 pm, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote: > >> On Nov 5, 12:48 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
> >> Web-Site.com> wrote: > >>> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a position > >>> in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, "Administration" ;-) > >> "As Chairwoman of the SAVE NY Task Force, the Assemblywoman traveled > >> throughout New York state to meet with various constituencies to > >> develop and improve ways to protect New York’s women and children from > >> domestic abuse and sexual violence. The task force played an integral > >> role in raising awareness of these issues. A number of its proposals, > >> including civil confinement of sex offenders and stiffer penalties > >> under Megan’s Law, were adopted as legislation."
> >> So now we know why Jim doesn't like Assemblywoman Scozzafava.
> >> If she'd just siphoned off tax-payers money to fatten Haliburton and > >> the oil companies, like certain members of the previous admistration, > >> Jim wouldn't find her in the least objectionable. but she's guilty of > >> violating the sanctity of the home and letting big government get > >> between a man and his family - democratic scumbaggery at its worst.
> "Few people have been as vocal about the urgency of global warming and > the need to reinvent the way the world produces and consumes energy. And > few have put as much money behind their advocacy as Mr. Gore and are as > well positioned to profit from this green transformation, if and when it > comes."
> So? Who wouldn't invest in things that they advocate?
Mr. Gore's accused the oil companies of being vile and corrupt for doing the same thing; that's the hypocracy. Except it actually wasn't the same--they were investing their own hard-earned in their own businesses.
Mr. Gore, by contrast, didn't make anything, didn't produce any break- through idea or product. He used his political powers while in office to create the policies from which he benefited. And no, t'wasn't with his own money. He's not that clever. He got big chunks of Google and Apple(?) just for being Al, for starters.
Big Al gave us ethanol, and ethanol subsidies. Very destructive, of wealth and environment. Wonder how much he made off that?
So no, we don't begrudge him his diamond footprints, but spare us the sermons, eh?
On Nov 4, 8:52 pm, Joe Chisolm <jchiso...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:48:08 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: > > Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a position > > in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, "Administration" ;-)
> > ...Jim Thompson
> Expect the same for some blue dogs if they vote for ObamaCare. They will > be assured if they get sacked in 2010 there will be a job for them in the > O-Mob. Your tax dollars at work....
I spent yesterday on Capitol Hill, twisting a blue dog's tail. Very decent guy, just mistaken on a particular point of fact. Which I corrected.
It turns out that they're literally Representatives, that they represent (advocate) positions, but have to rely on others' opinions as to the facts. Which, if you think about it, they couldn't possibly know everything about all they stuff they're covering. You know, like running car companies.
And the guys who write the laws? None looked old enough to shave--22, 24. A few looked like high schoolers. Maybe those were interns (let's hope).
>flipper wrote: >> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:22:46 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com> >> wrote:
>>> flipper wrote: >>>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:15:11 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com> >>>> wrote:
>>>>> flipper wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:33:30 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" >>>>>> <i...@casual.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Joe Chisolm wrote: >>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:48:08 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a >>>>>>>>> position in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, >>>>>>>>> "Administration" ;-)
>>>>>>>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>>>>>>> Expect the same for some blue dogs if they vote for ObamaCare. >>>>>>>> They will be assured if they get sacked in 2010 there will be a >>>>>>>> job for them in the O-Mob. Your tax dollars at work....
>>>>>>> Wow, sounds almost like Fox. You don't have to illegally sell >>>>>>> anti-aircraft missiles to Iran to work there, but it helps. lol
>>>>>> The sale wasn't illegal.
>>>>> Prove it.
>>>> Sorry, pal, but when you accuse someone of an illegal act the burden >>>> of proof is on you.
>>> Tell it to the prosecutors.
>> Why? They already know the burden of proof is on the accuser.
>>>> So tell us which law you imagine was broken and, while you're at it, >>>> explain the jurisdiction of US law in Israel because they're the >>>> ones who, through an intermediary, did the actual sale to what were >>>> thought to be Iranian 'moderates'.
>>> Well darn, I was looking forward to your explaining away the eleven >>> convictions, but I guess you are not up to it.
>> No one was ever charged with, much less convicted of, "selling >> anti-aircraft missiles to Iran," you willfully ignorant self made >> idiot liberal, but I repeat myself.
> Repeat yourself all you want, serial liar. No cite = unsubstnatiated >bullshit.
And the cites you post make your total bullshit "substantiated"?
You really ARE clueless, you retarded little adolescent brained bastard.
dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Nov 5, 12:28 am, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote: >> dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote: >>> On Nov 4, 7:26 pm, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote: >>>> On Nov 5, 12:48 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My- >>>> Web-Site.com> wrote: >>>>> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a position >>>>> in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, "Administration" ;-) >>>> "As Chairwoman of the SAVE NY Task Force, the Assemblywoman traveled >>>> throughout New York state to meet with various constituencies to >>>> develop and improve ways to protect New York’s women and children from >>>> domestic abuse and sexual violence. The task force played an integral >>>> role in raising awareness of these issues. A number of its proposals, >>>> including civil confinement of sex offenders and stiffer penalties >>>> under Megan’s Law, were adopted as legislation." >>>> So now we know why Jim doesn't like Assemblywoman Scozzafava. >>>> If she'd just siphoned off tax-payers money to fatten Haliburton and >>>> the oil companies, like certain members of the previous admistration, >>>> Jim wouldn't find her in the least objectionable. but she's guilty of >>>> violating the sanctity of the home and letting big government get >>>> between a man and his family - democratic scumbaggery at its worst. >>>> -- >>>> Bill Sloman, Nijmegen >>> http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/11/03/al-gore-the-worlds-first-carbo... >> "Few people have been as vocal about the urgency of global warming and >> the need to reinvent the way the world produces and consumes energy. And >> few have put as much money behind their advocacy as Mr. Gore and are as >> well positioned to profit from this green transformation, if and when it >> comes."
>> So? Who wouldn't invest in things that they advocate?
> Mr. Gore's accused the oil companies of being vile and corrupt for > doing the same thing; that's the hypocracy. Except it actually wasn't > the same--they were investing their own hard-earned in their own > businesses.
No, it actually wasn't the same. Big Oil were furiously sucking the riches out of poorer countries.
> Mr. Gore, by contrast, didn't make anything, didn't produce any break- > through idea or product. He used his political powers while in office > to create the policies from which he benefited.
Gore hasn't been in office for a looong time, you goof. The "world's first carbon billionaire" article you cited is dated Nov 3rd 2009. What happened during the 8-year-long Bush ordeal?
> And no, t'wasn't with his own money. He's not that clever. He got big chunks of Google and > Apple(?) just for being Al, for starters.
But he is that clever. We wouldn't be here on this computer internetwork today if he wasn't.
> dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote: > > And no, t'wasn't with his own money. He's not that clever. He got big chunks of Google and > > Apple(?) just for being Al, for starters.
> But he is that clever. We wouldn't be here on this computer internetwork > today if he wasn't.
Greegor wrote: > On Nov 6, 12:01 pm, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote: >> On Nov 5, 9:28 am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Why does Sloman from Nijmegen Netherlands get >>> so worked up about United States politics? >> Because US politics has direct effects on both the Netherlands - where >> I live - and Australia - where I am a citizen.
>>> Fidel Castro or Hugo Chávez attempting to >>> give the US advice might be funnier though. >> Fidel could tell you a better way to organise you public health system >> - Cuba scores about as well as the US on statistical indicators for >> quality of health care,
> Including heart surgery? > Liver transplants?
>> while spending a lot less money on health care >> that does the US.
> Rationed.
>> Since you presumably are a member >> of fortunate majority in the US who >> gets health care as good as the French >> or the Germans (albeit at nearly twice >> the price) you may well find this to be >> a comical idea. 47 million uninsured >> Americans are less amused.
> Nope. Uninsured.
> You presumed that an aching want/need would > justify moral weakness and defy mathematic logic.
> There is an aspect of selling socialism that > seems very much like a con game.
> Did you know that the crest/seal for > the Fabian Society (Gradual Socialists) > is the wolf in sheeps clothing?
On Nov 7, 1:21 am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
> BS > Actually, as one who believes in talking out of his ass.
> So tell us about your Australian Politics. > How's that immigration reform thing going there?
Could be better.
> Did you see the Movie Rabbit Proof Fence?
No, but I know about it. It doesn't refelct much credit on past Australian attittudes.
> How are you treating the Abo people now?
Better, but nowhere near well enough. My youngest brother is a general practitioner who concentrates on aborginal patients. and is well aware of their social and medical disadvantages.
> Any PROBLEMS there in Australia?
Plenty, but Australian aboriginals don't do noticeably worse than Native Americans
> Where do YOUR PERSONAL POLITICAL > views fall on the spectrum of political > views in Australia lately?
I support the Labor Party rather than the Liberals or the Country Party.
> You were anxious to get out and go > to Belgium, weren't you?
Far from it. Most Australians who get a Ph.D. spend a few years overseas as a post-doc. I stayed in England a little longer than I expected - 21 years rather than two - and ended up moving to the Netherlands when my wife was offered an interesting (and very well paid)job there. We've been spending three months of the year in Australia for the past few years, and in a couple of years we will settle down in Sydney.
> Why not Venezuela or Cuba?
> Do the people in Belgium like having a foreign > national poke his big nose into THEIR politics?
I wouldn't know about Belgium. since their politics have minimal effect on the Netherlands or Australia, I'm not all that interested - though Filip de Winter is a nasty piece of work, with at least one Dutch imitator - Geert Wilders, who is yet doing as much damage.
Nobody in the family has since been dumb enough to get themselves shot, but my mother's brother served outside Australi as a medical doctor in WW2 and ended up with the rank of Major. We're patriotic enough.
> I've got bad news for you though. > Our US kook left has blown it so bad that even > the mainstream left can't stand them anymore!
Dream on.
> The raging kook left here is making itself look like you.
> The idealism of the kook left has choked > on the reality of it's own self serving corruption.
I think you are projecting here. The previous Repulbican administration did set a new low in self-serving corruption, and the current Democratic administration really doesn't seem likely to be able to emulate them. Obama's trick of getting most of his election funding from small contributors means that bribing his supporters involves giving them comprehensive and affordable health care, which is the very opposite of corruption.
> The US flu shot debacle speaks VOLUMES > for government health care! LOL
How?
> First there was a lot of embarassing outcry > against vaccination FORCED by government.
The usual right-wing enthusiasm for promoting the advantege of the individual - who doesn't want to run the samll risk of a negative side- effect of vaccination - over the advantage of society, which needs a substantial majority vaccinated to prevent an epidemic running away.
> A bunch of DOCTORS refused to vaccinate > their own kids, and medical personnel had > to be THREATENED into vaccination.
The world is full of self-interested nitwits.
> Then it turns out there is no way for the vaccine > SUPPLY to be here in time anyway!
No enough to prevent an epidmeic, but enough to protect the more vulnerable, if they have enough sense to ignore the nitwit propaganda.
> The idea of the state as our PARENT has > fallen flat on it's face.
It was always a pretty stupid concept.
> Pointing at politicians your ilk want to villify > and calling them crooks might work better > if there weren't so many crooks and idiots > in BOTH major parties here.
> The phrase "constitutional conservative" has > become more popular recently.
> On Nov 6, 12:01 pm,Bill Sloman<bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> > On Nov 5, 9:28 am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Why does Sloman from Nijmegen Netherlands get > > > so worked up about United States politics?
> > Because US politics has direct effects on both the Netherlands - where > > I live - and Australia - where I am a citizen.
> > > Fidel Castro or Hugo Chávez attempting to > > > give the US advice might be funnier though.
> > Fidel could tell you a better way to organise you public health system > > - Cuba scores about as well as the US on statistical indicators for > > quality of health care,
> Including heart surgery?
Apparently - a couple their leading specialists went to Brazil as teachers in 1986.
> Liver transplants?
Don't know. Liver transplants are luxury operations, and they might not bother.
> > while spending a lot less money on health care > > that does the US.
> Rationed.
No more so than in the US.
> > Since you presumably are a member > > of fortunate majority in the US who > > gets health care as good as the French > > or the Germans (albeit at nearly twice > > the price) you may well find this to be > > a comical idea. 47 million uninsured > > Americans are less amused.
> Nope. Uninsured.
Then you really should be rooting for Obama and his medical reforms.
> You presumed that an aching want/need would > justify moral weakness and defy mathematic logic.
The moral weakness that lets the US deny medical care to people who aren't rich enough to be insured requires some justification. There no mathematical logic that would let you campaign for a less-than- comprehensive system that costs half again more than comprehensive systems in the French and German style which offer equally good care.
> There is an aspect of selling socialism that > seems very much like a con game.
The German medical system was invented by Bismark to undercut his socialist political opponents. Describing it as "socialist" - by which you mean "communist", having been misled by a century of right-wing political propaganda - betrys just how little you know about the subject, and how thoroughly you have been suckered by the US medical insurance industry which sells a grossly over-priced product and wants to hang onto its rapacious profit margins.
> Did you know that the crest/seal for > the Fabian Society (Gradual Socialists) > is the wolf in sheeps clothing?
It isn't, and the whole idea that "socialism" is a bad thing is a fable propagated by rich capitalists who are too stupid to realise that investing a little more of their profits in the health and education of their workers would pay off handsomely in higher worker productivity and bigger sales to more prosperous consumers.
Russian communism was never socialism. Western European socialism works a lot better than communism ever did, and seems to be doing pretty well in comparison with US capitalism, which has been running a huge balance of payments deficit for decades now.
> You thought none of the potential beneficiaries > would be smart enough to realize it's a wolf?
You have been suckered for years by the wolves who rip you off with over-priced and less than comprehensive medical care, and now you want to try and tell us that your potential rescuers are actually the wolves in sheep's clothing.
He's a 'D' student who moralizes about conservation while using 18-odd megawatt-hours of electricity a month at just one of his several houses. I use 0.9% of that.
By his own standards he's a carbon criminal, a Pol Pot of carbonation. And that's just his personal excess, not counting the devastating effects of the policies he's cursed the planet with, and profited from.
Have you read his books? He's dim.
But I am glad he invented Velcro, hammers, running water, and perpetual energy. Where would we be without those?
> Greegor wrote: > > On Nov 6, 12:01 pm, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote: > >> On Nov 5, 9:28 am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Why does Sloman from Nijmegen Netherlands get > >>> so worked up about United States politics? > >> Because US politics has direct effects on both the Netherlands - where > >> I live - and Australia - where I am a citizen.
> >>> Fidel Castro or Hugo Chávez attempting to > >>> give the US advice might be funnier though. > >> Fidel could tell you a better way to organise you public health system > >> - Cuba scores about as well as the US on statistical indicators for > >> quality of health care,
G > Including heart surgery? G > Liver transplants?
> >> while spending a lot less money on health care > >> that does the US.
G > Rationed.
> >> Since you presumably are a member > >> of fortunate majority in the US who > >> gets health care as good as the French > >> or the Germans (albeit at nearly twice > >> the price) you may well find this to be > >> a comical idea. 47 million uninsured > >> Americans are less amused.
G > Nope. Uninsured.
G > You presumed that an aching want/need would G > justify moral weakness and defy mathematic logic. G > G > There is an aspect of selling socialism that G > seems very much like a con game. G > G > Did you know that the crest/seal for G > the Fabian Society (Gradual Socialists) G > is the wolf in sheeps clothing?
Beryl > Where's that? Their own Website has no such seal.
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