"JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:10:20 -0400, Phil Hobbs ><pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>How much energy is it safe to dump into an HC-series MUX when >>discharging a cap? It would be convenient to be able to discharge 10 nF >>from 5V to 0 using a 74VHC4053. I think that is probably safe, but it >>will certainly exceed the abs max current during the discharge event.
>>Relevant experience, anybody?
>>Thanks
>>Phil Hobbs
>I can't claim to really know, but i get this twitchy feeling that it >would produce very small incremental damage that would lead to >lifetime type problems.
If it's a rare occurence, probably okay, but metal migration induced failures due to exceeding the maximum current density on a metallization layer is an obvious possibility. Personally, I'd put a <$0.001 resistor in there if it's happening at relatively high frequency and relatively high duty cycle and perhaps at elevated temperatures. I don't think the abs max ratings are a joke.
krw wrote: > Just what I like, a regressive tax. ;-)
The way it works is that the tax is made on the final product. If you buy in parts, services or just about anything used in the course of business, you are allowed to reclaim the vat before it is finally sold. The final tax is charged on the finished product sold to the consumer. I guess it could be considered regressive, but most taxes are where non essentials are concerned. Not that i'm defending it, just explaining how it works.
> No way. How do you expect the Demonicrats to control society without > the power to tax indiscriminately?
I can't really comment on that, but many people in europe, including myself, were gratefull for any change that got rid of Bush and co, irrespective of which party he hailed from.
In the end, it's not the *party*, but what's best for the *country* at any given time. It's always a compromise between what you as an individual think and the rest. It's an insult to the intelligence to suggest that any one party always has all the right answers.
In the uk, the labour party have been in power since for ever. They will almost certainly be kicked out in the elections next year, because they are seen as being a spent force, are becoming too arrogant, authoritarian, lacking clue and are completely out of touch with the mood of the nation.
Labour are supposed to be the left wing party and much was expected of them to solve some serious social issues, but they failed completely and got us involved in an unwinnable (we can debate that) war, who's ethical justification has never been demonstrated. Add to that all the stasi like stuff they are trying to introduce and it's a classic case of reversion to type. Closet authoritarian and anti libertarian to a man :-)...
>>On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:10:20 -0400, Phil Hobbs >><pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>How much energy is it safe to dump into an HC-series MUX when >>>discharging a cap? It would be convenient to be able to discharge 10 nF >>>from 5V to 0 using a 74VHC4053. I think that is probably safe, but it >>>will certainly exceed the abs max current during the discharge event.
>>>Relevant experience, anybody?
>>>Thanks
>>>Phil Hobbs
>>I can't claim to really know, but i get this twitchy feeling that it >>would produce very small incremental damage that would lead to >>lifetime type problems.
>If it's a rare occurence, probably okay, but metal migration induced >failures due to exceeding the maximum current density on a >metallization layer is an obvious possibility. Personally, I'd put a ><$0.001 resistor in there if it's happening at relatively high >frequency and relatively high duty cycle and perhaps at elevated >temperatures. I don't think the abs max ratings are a joke.
Indeed! I'd, just on the face of the absolute maximum ratings, add 250 Ohms in series..
I'm not sure that people are aware, but the 4051, 4052, 4053 are all the same basic chip, only the wiring (metalization) changes between the types.
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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:58:56 +0000, ChrisQ <m...@devnull.com> wrote: >krw wrote:
>> Just what I like, a regressive tax. ;-)
>The way it works is that the tax is made on the final product. If you >buy in parts, services or just about anything used in the course of >business, you are allowed to reclaim the vat before it is finally sold. >The final tax is charged on the finished product sold to the consumer. I >guess it could be considered regressive, but most taxes are where non >essentials are concerned. Not that i'm defending it, just explaining how >it works.
>> No way. How do you expect the Demonicrats to control society without >> the power to tax indiscriminately?
>I can't really comment on that, but many people in europe, including >myself, were gratefull for any change that got rid of Bush and co, >irrespective of which party he hailed from.
>>The way it works is that the tax is made on the final product. If you >>buy in parts, services or just about anything used in the course of >>business, you are allowed to reclaim the vat before it is finally sold. >>The final tax is charged on the finished product sold to the consumer. I >>guess it could be considered regressive, but most taxes are where non >>essentials are concerned. Not that i'm defending it, just explaining how >>it works.
>>> No way. How do you expect the Demonicrats to control society without >>> the power to tax indiscriminately?
>>I can't really comment on that, but many people in europe, including >>myself, were gratefull for any change that got rid of Bush and co, >>irrespective of which party he hailed from.
>Why?
>John
The rest of the world, particularly Europeons, can't cope with feeling inferior and in need of protection.
They needn't worry anymore, they're soon to be converts to Islam ;-)
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When the Islamic Muslims take over Europe I will be amongst the first to join the call: "It's not our war, it's just a civil war."
9/11 was probably the worst terrorist act that the us, or for that matter any other country has experienced, but I think it was done to provoke the lion. The lion was provoked and we got a kneejerk reaction when a more reasoned response may have saved 100's of thousands of lives worldwide. Bush didn't have the balls and / or the experience to hold the line against the shrill cry for war. Instead, we got the politics of fear and appeal to man's most base instincts to justify invading a country that was nothing to do with it and was no real threat to anyone, as all the inspectors found when they got there. This is no religious stuff either, but about the values that all people of all nations hold in common.
I don't really want to get into all this, as it's not the forum, but could have wept for the us after 9/11 and the years that followed. The physical damage can be mended, but the damage to individual families and the psyche of the nation could take decades to repair, if ever...
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:34:55 +0000, ChrisQ <m...@devnull.com> wrote: >John Larkin wrote:
>> Why?
>> John
>9/11 was probably the worst terrorist act that the us, or for that >matter any other country has experienced, but I think it was done to >provoke the lion. The lion was provoked and we got a kneejerk reaction >when a more reasoned response may have saved 100's of thousands of lives >worldwide. Bush didn't have the balls and / or the experience to hold >the line against the shrill cry for war. Instead, we got the politics of >fear and appeal to man's most base instincts to justify invading a >country that was nothing to do with it and was no real threat to anyone, >as all the inspectors found when they got there. This is no religious >stuff either, but about the values that all people of all nations hold >in common.
>I don't really want to get into all this, as it's not the forum, but >could have wept for the us after 9/11 and the years that followed. The >physical damage can be mended, but the damage to individual families and >the psyche of the nation could take decades to repair, if ever...
>Regards,
>Chris
Going after Al Queda in Afghanistan, and squashing the government that sheltered them, was necessary.
I personally believe that GB perceived that the only longterm fix to the clash of cultures was to plant a working democracy in the heart of the Muslim world, and that Iraq was the ideal place to do it. Nothing "base" about that.
Seems to be working so far. And based on Sadaam's time-averaged slaughter rate, it has saved lives thus far.
>>9/11 was probably the worst terrorist act that the us, or for that >>matter any other country has experienced, but I think it was done to >>provoke the lion. The lion was provoked and we got a kneejerk reaction >>when a more reasoned response may have saved 100's of thousands of lives >>worldwide. Bush didn't have the balls and / or the experience to hold >>the line against the shrill cry for war. Instead, we got the politics of >>fear and appeal to man's most base instincts to justify invading a >>country that was nothing to do with it and was no real threat to anyone, >>as all the inspectors found when they got there. This is no religious >>stuff either, but about the values that all people of all nations hold >>in common.
>>I don't really want to get into all this, as it's not the forum, but >>could have wept for the us after 9/11 and the years that followed. The >>physical damage can be mended, but the damage to individual families and >>the psyche of the nation could take decades to repair, if ever...
>>Regards,
>>Chris
>Going after Al Queda in Afghanistan, and squashing the government that >sheltered them, was necessary.
Absolutely.
>I personally believe that GB perceived that the only longterm fix to >the clash of cultures was to plant a working democracy in the heart of >the Muslim world, and that Iraq was the ideal place to do it. Nothing >"base" about that.
Yep. We'll see if Obama can screw it up. All of the Demonicrats have tried, no reason to believe he'll do any differently.
>Seems to be working so far. And based on Sadaam's time-averaged >slaughter rate, it has saved lives thus far.
When one goes to war, minimization of loss on the other side is a nice thing to do, but hardly the point. The Iraqis are on the road to a free society. That's worth something.
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:58:56 +0000, ChrisQ <m...@devnull.com> wrote: >krw wrote:
>> Just what I like, a regressive tax. ;-)
>The way it works is that the tax is made on the final product. If you >buy in parts, services or just about anything used in the course of >business, you are allowed to reclaim the vat before it is finally sold. >The final tax is charged on the finished product sold to the consumer. I >guess it could be considered regressive, but most taxes are where non >essentials are concerned. Not that i'm defending it, just explaining how >it works.
We all know how it works. I said I liked progressive taxes. Those that use government services pay for them, which is only right.
>> No way. How do you expect the Demonicrats to control society without >> the power to tax indiscriminately?
>I can't really comment on that, but many people in europe, including >myself, were gratefull for any change that got rid of Bush and co, >irrespective of which party he hailed from.
More Europeon "logic". Say Hi to slowman, when you kiss.
>In the end, it's not the *party*, but what's best for the *country* at >any given time. It's always a compromise between what you as an >individual think and the rest. It's an insult to the intelligence to >suggest that any one party always has all the right answers.
The *party* stands for something. That's why the *party* is important.
>In the uk, the labour party have been in power since for ever. They will >almost certainly be kicked out in the elections next year, because they >are seen as being a spent force, are becoming too arrogant, >authoritarian, lacking clue and are completely out of touch with the >mood of the nation.
The Demonicrats have only been in power 11 months and are already too arrogant, authoritarian, lacking clue and are completely out of touch with the mood of the nation.
>Labour are supposed to be the left wing party and much was expected of >them to solve some serious social issues, but they failed completely and >got us involved in an unwinnable (we can debate that) war, who's ethical >justification has never been demonstrated. Add to that all the stasi >like stuff they are trying to introduce and it's a classic case of >reversion to type. Closet authoritarian and anti libertarian to a man :-)...
You think lefties are going to solve *any* problems? The dew's still wet on you.
Jim Thompson wrote: > On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:37:02 -0500, Spehro Pefhany > <speffS...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:48:05 -0800, >> "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:10:20 -0400, Phil Hobbs >>> <pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>> How much energy is it safe to dump into an HC-series MUX when >>>> discharging a cap? It would be convenient to be able to discharge 10 nF >>> >from 5V to 0 using a 74VHC4053. I think that is probably safe, but it >>>> will certainly exceed the abs max current during the discharge event.
>>>> Relevant experience, anybody?
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Phil Hobbs >>> I can't claim to really know, but i get this twitchy feeling that it >>> would produce very small incremental damage that would lead to >>> lifetime type problems. >> If it's a rare occurence, probably okay, but metal migration induced >> failures due to exceeding the maximum current density on a >> metallization layer is an obvious possibility. Personally, I'd put a >> <$0.001 resistor in there if it's happening at relatively high >> frequency and relatively high duty cycle and perhaps at elevated >> temperatures. I don't think the abs max ratings are a joke.
> Indeed! I'd, just on the face of the absolute maximum ratings, add > 250 Ohms in series..
> I'm not sure that people are aware, but the 4051, 4052, 4053 are all > the same basic chip, only the wiring (metalization) changes between > the types.
>Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:37:02 -0500, Spehro Pefhany >> <speffS...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:48:05 -0800, >>> "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:10:20 -0400, Phil Hobbs >>>> <pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>>> How much energy is it safe to dump into an HC-series MUX when >>>>> discharging a cap? It would be convenient to be able to discharge 10 nF >>>> >from 5V to 0 using a 74VHC4053. I think that is probably safe, but it >>>>> will certainly exceed the abs max current during the discharge event.
>>>>> Relevant experience, anybody?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Phil Hobbs >>>> I can't claim to really know, but i get this twitchy feeling that it >>>> would produce very small incremental damage that would lead to >>>> lifetime type problems. >>> If it's a rare occurence, probably okay, but metal migration induced >>> failures due to exceeding the maximum current density on a >>> metallization layer is an obvious possibility. Personally, I'd put a >>> <$0.001 resistor in there if it's happening at relatively high >>> frequency and relatively high duty cycle and perhaps at elevated >>> temperatures. I don't think the abs max ratings are a joke.
>> Indeed! I'd, just on the face of the absolute maximum ratings, add >> 250 Ohms in series..
>> I'm not sure that people are aware, but the 4051, 4052, 4053 are all >> the same basic chip, only the wiring (metalization) changes between >> the types.
>So, does it now say "Thompson Tuning" on the ON Semi masks or at least a >smiley somewhere?
>BTW do you take on HV chip designs, stuff at 50V and above? Of course, >getting it into a foundry would be a whole 'nother game.
If you have a true need, X-Fab have several HV processes.
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Jim Thompson wrote: > On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:31:00 -0800, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> > wrote:
>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:37:02 -0500, Spehro Pefhany >>> <speffS...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:48:05 -0800, >>>> "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:10:20 -0400, Phil Hobbs >>>>> <pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>>>> How much energy is it safe to dump into an HC-series MUX when >>>>>> discharging a cap? It would be convenient to be able to discharge 10 nF >>>>> >from 5V to 0 using a 74VHC4053. I think that is probably safe, but it >>>>>> will certainly exceed the abs max current during the discharge event.
>>>>>> Relevant experience, anybody?
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Phil Hobbs >>>>> I can't claim to really know, but i get this twitchy feeling that it >>>>> would produce very small incremental damage that would lead to >>>>> lifetime type problems. >>>> If it's a rare occurence, probably okay, but metal migration induced >>>> failures due to exceeding the maximum current density on a >>>> metallization layer is an obvious possibility. Personally, I'd put a >>>> <$0.001 resistor in there if it's happening at relatively high >>>> frequency and relatively high duty cycle and perhaps at elevated >>>> temperatures. I don't think the abs max ratings are a joke. >>> Indeed! I'd, just on the face of the absolute maximum ratings, add >>> 250 Ohms in series..
>>> I'm not sure that people are aware, but the 4051, 4052, 4053 are all >>> the same basic chip, only the wiring (metalization) changes between >>> the types.
>> So, does it now say "Thompson Tuning" on the ON Semi masks or at least a >> smiley somewhere?
>> BTW do you take on HV chip designs, stuff at 50V and above? Of course, >> getting it into a foundry would be a whole 'nother game.
> If you have a true need, X-Fab have several HV processes.
Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data. I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
The true need might arise early next year, I will know more about that in a couple of weeks.
>Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:31:00 -0800, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> >> wrote:
>>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:37:02 -0500, Spehro Pefhany >>>> <speffS...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:48:05 -0800, >>>>> "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:10:20 -0400, Phil Hobbs >>>>>> <pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> How much energy is it safe to dump into an HC-series MUX when >>>>>>> discharging a cap? It would be convenient to be able to discharge 10 nF >>>>>> >from 5V to 0 using a 74VHC4053. I think that is probably safe, but it >>>>>>> will certainly exceed the abs max current during the discharge event.
>>>>>>> Relevant experience, anybody?
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Phil Hobbs >>>>>> I can't claim to really know, but i get this twitchy feeling that it >>>>>> would produce very small incremental damage that would lead to >>>>>> lifetime type problems. >>>>> If it's a rare occurence, probably okay, but metal migration induced >>>>> failures due to exceeding the maximum current density on a >>>>> metallization layer is an obvious possibility. Personally, I'd put a >>>>> <$0.001 resistor in there if it's happening at relatively high >>>>> frequency and relatively high duty cycle and perhaps at elevated >>>>> temperatures. I don't think the abs max ratings are a joke. >>>> Indeed! I'd, just on the face of the absolute maximum ratings, add >>>> 250 Ohms in series..
>>>> I'm not sure that people are aware, but the 4051, 4052, 4053 are all >>>> the same basic chip, only the wiring (metalization) changes between >>>> the types.
>>> So, does it now say "Thompson Tuning" on the ON Semi masks or at least a >>> smiley somewhere?
No ;-) I haven't been involved in layout (except for matching guidance and LVS support) for probably 20 years now.
I have several sub-contractors who handle my layout needs if the customer doesn't already have such a design team.
>>> BTW do you take on HV chip designs, stuff at 50V and above? Of course, >>> getting it into a foundry would be a whole 'nother game.
>> If you have a true need, X-Fab have several HV processes.
>Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data. >I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS >offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on >the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the >barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
>The true need might arise early next year, I will know more about that >in a couple of weeks.
"AMS", while now a separate entity (East Germany), is essentially the research arm of X-Fab.
X-Fab has foundries around the world, with one in Lubbock, TX.
I've E-mailed you USA contact information.
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> Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data. > I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS > offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on > the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the > barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Joerg wrote: >> Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data. >> I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS >> offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on >> the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the >> barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
> And a few cows?
No, I would never do that. Would be wrong, those animals provide so much to us.
> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > Joerg wrote: > >> Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data. > >> I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS > >> offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on > >> the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the > >> barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
> > And a few cows?
> No, I would never do that. Would be wrong, those animals provide so much > to us.
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> > Joerg wrote: >> >> Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data. >> >> I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS >> >> offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on >> >> the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the >> >> barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
>> > And a few cows?
>> No, I would never do that. Would be wrong, those animals provide so much >> to us.
> How about outhouse tipping? ;-)
Restaraunts, sure, but only only Slowman tips at outhouses.
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> > Joerg wrote: >> >> Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data. >> >> I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS >> >> offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on >> >> the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the >> >> barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
>> > And a few cows?
>> No, I would never do that. Would be wrong, those animals provide so much >> to us.
> How about outhouse tipping? ;-)
My father told of pranks where they'd move the outhouse back from the pit on a dark night ;-)
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krw wrote: > On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:51:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Joerg wrote: >>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>> Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data. >>>>> I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS >>>>> offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on >>>>> the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the >>>>> barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
>>>> And a few cows?
>>> No, I would never do that. Would be wrong, those animals provide so much >>> to us.
>> How about outhouse tipping? ;-)
> Restaraunts, sure, but only only Slowman tips at outhouses.
>krw wrote: >> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:51:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" >> <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Joerg wrote: >>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>> Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data. >>>>>> I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS >>>>>> offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on >>>>>> the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the >>>>>> barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
>>>>> And a few cows?
>>>> No, I would never do that. Would be wrong, those animals provide so much >>>> to us.
>>> How about outhouse tipping? ;-)
>> Restaraunts, sure, but only only Slowman tips at outhouses. > ^^^^^^^^^^^
>Hey, your new southern drawl begins to show :-)
...and the speelchecker didn't catch it, either. Two "only"s, also. I had so many ways to say what I wanted. At least the message was correct.
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:51:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >Joerg wrote:
> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >> > Joerg wrote: > >> >> Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data. > >> >> I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS > >> >> offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on > >> >> the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the > >> >> barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
> >> > And a few cows?
> >> No, I would never do that. Would be wrong, those animals provide so much > >> to us.
> > How about outhouse tipping? ;-)
> My father told of pranks where they'd move the outhouse back from the > pit on a dark night ;-)
My dad told me when he was a kid that an old man spent the night in his outhouse on Halloween to keep kids from tipping it. He was still inside as it rolled down the hill by some older kids. it would have just tipped over, if he wasn't standing on the seat when they tipped it.
The lids would go around the next day and help set them back on their foundation, but he had to build a new outhouse, on top of all his bruises. :(
City folks don't know that the outhouse had to be moved from time to time, since they couldn't be pumped out, like Sloman.
I always wondered why they weren't built on runners so they could be towed to the new hole by their plow mules or horses?
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:51:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >Joerg wrote:
> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >> > Joerg wrote: > >> >> Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data. > >> >> I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS > >> >> offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on > >> >> the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the > >> >> barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
> >> > And a few cows?
> >> No, I would never do that. Would be wrong, those animals provide so much > >> to us.
> > How about outhouse tipping? ;-)
> Restaraunts, sure, but only only Slowman tips at outhouses.
>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:51:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" >> <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >Joerg wrote:
>> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> >> > Joerg wrote: >> >> >> Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data. >> >> >> I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS >> >> >> offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on >> >> >> the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the >> >> >> barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
>> >> > And a few cows?
>> >> No, I would never do that. Would be wrong, those animals provide so much >> >> to us.
>> > How about outhouse tipping? ;-)
>> My father told of pranks where they'd move the outhouse back from the >> pit on a dark night ;-)
> My dad told me when he was a kid that an old man spent the night in >his outhouse on Halloween to keep kids from tipping it. He was still >inside as it rolled down the hill by some older kids. it would have >just tipped over, if he wasn't standing on the seat when they tipped it.
> The lids would go around the next day and help set them back on their >foundation, but he had to build a new outhouse, on top of all his >bruises. :(
> City folks don't know that the outhouse had to be moved from time to >time, since they couldn't be pumped out, like Sloman.
> I always wondered why they weren't built on runners so they could be >towed to the new hole by their plow mules or horses?
They were...on "skids".
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>>On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:48:55 -0800, John Larkin >><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>>On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:40:32 -0600, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:10:25 -0800, John Larkin >>>><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:02:38 -0800, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> >>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:22:31 +0000, ChrisQ <m...@devnull.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Shooting politicians and bureaucrats would be more effective ;-)
>>>>>>>> My sentiment as well, but someone has to run run the country and try to >>>>>>>> balance the budgets. It would help the west if we all stopped exporting >>>>>>>> jobs to China, but you can blame global multinationals for that, who >>>>>>>> have no interest other than shareholder value.
>>>>>>> No business is run as a charity. All businesses do what they have to >>>>>>> do to compete and survive. And shareholders hire boards and executives >>>>>>> exactly to maximize the value of their stocks; wouldn't you? So, given >>>>>>> all that, tax policy should be structured to do the most good, which >>>>>>> includes creating jobs so that people have earnings so that they can >>>>>>> pay taxes.
>>>>>>Also, with all the common dissing of shareholder value one must not >>>>>>forget one thing: Who started the company and who sunk money into it? >>>>>>Right, shareholders. They take risks and, rightfully, they want to be >>>>>>rewarded for taking those risks. At least in America.
>>>>>That's true for IPOs. But after that, the stocks usually become poker >>>>>chips in a big gambling operation that's disconnected from the >>>>>company's real performance. Nobody much buys stocks for dividends any >>>>>more.
>>>>THe do expect the company to grow. Profits turned back into growth or >>>>turned back to the shareholder, either way the shareholder's worth >>>>increases.
>>>Most stockholders don't get value from the company's profits. They get >>>it from selling their stock to others. The value of the stock is >>>largely perceptive, sometimes driven only by the positive feedback of >>>its own increase or decrease in the market. When you buy a share of >>>stock on the market, the company gets no investment from that >>>purchase, except for IPOs and new issues. The dot.com boom had lots of >>>cases of stocks increasing wildly in value as the underlying companies >>>had massive losses on absurd business models.
>>>The stock market is mostly a gambling pool, with a house cut.
>>House cut? How is it extracted and who gets it and how? Inquiring >>minds want to know.
>>>John
>Brokerage and asset management fees.
Brokerage fees are mostly gone now, and on average the various asset manage management fees are way excessive (largely hangovers from the early 1900s when it took considerable resources).
>And the more subtle extraction of >value from the system by can't-lose automated trading, inside deals, >VC parasitism, and management cut-outs.
All of these occur, however not all VC are parasites, though an unmanageable high proportion are.
>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:08:26 -0800, John Larkin >><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:22:31 +0000, ChrisQ <m...@devnull.com> wrote:
>>>>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>> Shooting politicians and bureaucrats would be more effective ;-)
>>>>My sentiment as well, but someone has to run run the country and try to >>>>balance the budgets. It would help the west if we all stopped exporting >>>>jobs to China, but you can blame global multinationals for that, who >>>>have no interest other than shareholder value.
>>>No business is run as a charity. All businesses do what they have to >>>do to compete and survive. And shareholders hire boards and executives >>>exactly to maximize the value of their stocks; wouldn't you? So, given >>>all that, tax policy should be structured to do the most good, which >>>includes creating jobs so that people have earnings so that they can >>>pay taxes.
>>> We all want free market >>>>economics, but business is now too powerfull for the good of nations.
>>>Business is 100% of all economies. Business has to be powerful because >>>it creates wealth and stuff. As long as businesses compete, the more >>>powerful the business side of the economy, the better off everybody >>>is. The miserable nations suffer from too little business, not too >>>much.
>>>John
>>Damn, keep those hallucinogens away from me, way too powerful. Take >>another, more thorough, look at Nigeria. A classic case of abuse by >>big multinationals.
>The Nigerians don't need help from multinationals; thay are perfectly >competant to abuse themselves.
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