>"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message >news:670ee5541a7fups3oncq7gbh529omuf0vu@4ax.com... >> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:11:30 -0700 (PDT), Bint-e-Islam >> <savi.ee...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:01:21 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Charles wrote: >> "John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in >> > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:11:30 -0700 (PDT), Bint-e-Islam
> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:55:24 -0400, "Charles" > <charlesschu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in >>message >>news:670ee5541a7fups3oncq7gbh529omuf0vu@4ax.com... >>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:11:30 -0700 (PDT), Bint-e-Islam >>> <savi.ee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message >news:i42fe51h876nor1lcaqnvg5g7ld1f3ncgp@4ax.com... >> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:55:24 -0400, "Charles" >> <charlesschu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in >>>message >>>news:670ee5541a7fups3oncq7gbh529omuf0vu@4ax.com... >>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:11:30 -0700 (PDT), Bint-e-Islam >>>> <savi.ee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> As PH says, any field of study that includes "science" in its name >>>> isn't one.
>>>Umm ... how about computer science?
>> Nothing scientific about that.
>Nothing? Perhaps you are unaware of some of the research going on this >area.
I know people who teach computer science. I am unaware of any genuine scientific (or practical) content. A little math here and there maybe.
>How about medical science? Again, some of the research going on there is >scientific.
Do you mean medicine? Or biology? Or biochemistry? Or oncology? I'm not sure what "medical science" is. I don't know anyone who calls themselves a "medical scientist."
>How about physical science?
Are you referring to Physics? Chemistry? Optics? Does any university have a School of Physical Science?
Maybe "Materials Science" is a real science that uses the word "science." Maybe. But most physicists and chemists would consider it to be engineering.
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:58:46 -0400, "Charles" > <charlesschu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in >>message >>news:i42fe51h876nor1lcaqnvg5g7ld1f3ncgp@4ax.com... >>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:55:24 -0400, "Charles" >>> <charlesschu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in >>>>message >>>>news:670ee5541a7fups3oncq7gbh529omuf0vu@4ax.com... >>>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:11:30 -0700 (PDT), Bint-e-Islam >>>>> <savi.ee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> As PH says, any field of study that includes "science" in its name >>>>> isn't one.
>>>>Umm ... how about computer science?
>>> Nothing scientific about that.
>>Nothing? Perhaps you are unaware of some of the research going on this >>area.
> I know people who teach computer science. I am unaware of any genuine > scientific (or practical) content. A little math here and there maybe.
>>How about medical science? Again, some of the research going on there is >>scientific.
> Do you mean medicine? Or biology? Or biochemistry? Or oncology? I'm > not sure what "medical science" is. I don't know anyone who calls > themselves a "medical scientist."
>>How about physical science?
> Are you referring to Physics? Chemistry? Optics? Does any university > have a School of Physical Science?
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:01:21 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > Charles wrote: > >> "John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in > >> > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:11:30 -0700 (PDT), Bint-e-Islam
> Political Science is the art of getting elected, not of doing the job.
Then what is the 'science' of keeping some loser from being re-elected? It took me two lawsuits to keep one from being re-elected, after he committed fraud, and 'Conversion of Property' by stealing two vehicles from my business parking lot. I got settlements in both lawsuits, and the bad publicity kicked him out of the running for an office he'd held for about 20 years.
> "John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in > message news:7ofhe59rnf460sg6hn0it238brb92edk6c@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:58:46 -0400, "Charles" >> <charlesschu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in >>>message >>>news:i42fe51h876nor1lcaqnvg5g7ld1f3ncgp@4ax.com... >>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:55:24 -0400, "Charles" >>>> <charlesschu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in >>>>>message >>>>>news:670ee5541a7fups3oncq7gbh529omuf0vu@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:11:30 -0700 (PDT), Bint-e-Islam >>>>>> <savi.ee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> As PH says, any field of study that includes "science" in its name >>>>>> isn't one.
>>>>>Umm ... how about computer science?
>>>> Nothing scientific about that.
>>>Nothing? Perhaps you are unaware of some of the research going on this >>>area.
>> I know people who teach computer science. I am unaware of any genuine >> scientific (or practical) content. A little math here and there maybe.
>>>How about medical science? Again, some of the research going on there is >>>scientific.
>> Do you mean medicine? Or biology? Or biochemistry? Or oncology? I'm >> not sure what "medical science" is. I don't know anyone who calls >> themselves a "medical scientist."
>>>How about physical science?
>> Are you referring to Physics? Chemistry? Optics? Does any university >> have a School of Physical Science?
>"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message >news:7ofhe59rnf460sg6hn0it238brb92edk6c@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:58:46 -0400, "Charles" >> <charlesschu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in >>>message >>>news:i42fe51h876nor1lcaqnvg5g7ld1f3ncgp@4ax.com... >>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:55:24 -0400, "Charles" >>>> <charlesschu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in >>>>>message >>>>>news:670ee5541a7fups3oncq7gbh529omuf0vu@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:11:30 -0700 (PDT), Bint-e-Islam >>>>>> <savi.ee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> As PH says, any field of study that includes "science" in its name >>>>>> isn't one.
>>>>>Umm ... how about computer science?
>>>> Nothing scientific about that.
>>>Nothing? Perhaps you are unaware of some of the research going on this >>>area.
>> I know people who teach computer science. I am unaware of any genuine >> scientific (or practical) content. A little math here and there maybe.
>>>How about medical science? Again, some of the research going on there is >>>scientific.
>> Do you mean medicine? Or biology? Or biochemistry? Or oncology? I'm >> not sure what "medical science" is. I don't know anyone who calls >> themselves a "medical scientist."
>>>How about physical science?
>> Are you referring to Physics? Chemistry? Optics? Does any university >> have a School of Physical Science?
Nobody gets a degree called "physical science." They get a gegree in Physics or Chemistry or some such, from a department of the same name. Apparently MIT has a "school of physical science", but the actual disciplines are Physics etc.
The original quote, which wasn't mine, was somewhat facetious, mocking things like political science and social science and library science, the point being that real scientists don't use the word "science" in their departments or degrees, but pseudo-scientists do.
Get grim and bitchy if it pleases you. I thought the original observation was pretty powerful.
I design electronics, and what I do is called engineering.
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:23:09 -0400, "Charles" > <charlesschu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in >>message >>news:7ofhe59rnf460sg6hn0it238brb92edk6c@4ax.com... >>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:58:46 -0400, "Charles" >>> <charlesschu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in >>>>message >>>>news:i42fe51h876nor1lcaqnvg5g7ld1f3ncgp@4ax.com... >>>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:55:24 -0400, "Charles" >>>>> <charlesschu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in >>>>>>message >>>>>>news:670ee5541a7fups3oncq7gbh529omuf0vu@4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:11:30 -0700 (PDT), Bint-e-Islam >>>>>>> <savi.ee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> As PH says, any field of study that includes "science" in its name >>>>>>> isn't one.
>>>>>>Umm ... how about computer science?
>>>>> Nothing scientific about that.
>>>>Nothing? Perhaps you are unaware of some of the research going on this >>>>area.
>>> I know people who teach computer science. I am unaware of any genuine >>> scientific (or practical) content. A little math here and there maybe.
>>>>How about medical science? Again, some of the research going on there >>>>is >>>>scientific.
>>> Do you mean medicine? Or biology? Or biochemistry? Or oncology? I'm >>> not sure what "medical science" is. I don't know anyone who calls >>> themselves a "medical scientist."
>>>>How about physical science?
>>> Are you referring to Physics? Chemistry? Optics? Does any university >>> have a School of Physical Science?
> Nobody gets a degree called "physical science." They get a gegree in > Physics or Chemistry or some such, from a department of the same name. > Apparently MIT has a "school of physical science", but the actual > disciplines are Physics etc.
> The original quote, which wasn't mine, was somewhat facetious, mocking > things like political science and social science and library science, > the point being that real scientists don't use the word "science" in > their departments or degrees, but pseudo-scientists do.
> Get grim and bitchy if it pleases you. I thought the original > observation was pretty powerful.
Grim and bitchy?
> I design electronics, and what I do is called engineering.
Thank God you're not a sanitation engineer ;>)
> What do you do, and what is it called?
Not relevant.
Why can't one ask a question here and/or posit a few of their own ideas or advance a different point of view without getting attacked?
>"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message >news:q0ake5lpe1vp8k3vaakc3l0egho1kpvidj@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:23:09 -0400, "Charles" >> <charlesschu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in >>>message >>>news:7ofhe59rnf460sg6hn0it238brb92edk6c@4ax.com... >>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:58:46 -0400, "Charles" >>>> <charlesschu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in >>>>>message >>>>>news:i42fe51h876nor1lcaqnvg5g7ld1f3ncgp@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:55:24 -0400, "Charles" >>>>>> <charlesschu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in >>>>>>>message >>>>>>>news:670ee5541a7fups3oncq7gbh529omuf0vu@4ax.com... >>>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:11:30 -0700 (PDT), Bint-e-Islam >>>>>>>> <savi.ee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> As PH says, any field of study that includes "science" in its name >>>>>>>> isn't one.
>>>>>>>Umm ... how about computer science?
>>>>>> Nothing scientific about that.
>>>>>Nothing? Perhaps you are unaware of some of the research going on this >>>>>area.
>>>> I know people who teach computer science. I am unaware of any genuine >>>> scientific (or practical) content. A little math here and there maybe.
>>>>>How about medical science? Again, some of the research going on there >>>>>is >>>>>scientific.
>>>> Do you mean medicine? Or biology? Or biochemistry? Or oncology? I'm >>>> not sure what "medical science" is. I don't know anyone who calls >>>> themselves a "medical scientist."
>>>>>How about physical science?
>>>> Are you referring to Physics? Chemistry? Optics? Does any university >>>> have a School of Physical Science?
>> Nobody gets a degree called "physical science." They get a gegree in >> Physics or Chemistry or some such, from a department of the same name. >> Apparently MIT has a "school of physical science", but the actual >> disciplines are Physics etc.
>> The original quote, which wasn't mine, was somewhat facetious, mocking >> things like political science and social science and library science, >> the point being that real scientists don't use the word "science" in >> their departments or degrees, but pseudo-scientists do.
>> Get grim and bitchy if it pleases you. I thought the original >> observation was pretty powerful.
>Grim and bitchy?
Yes, the pickiness and the waiting............. thing. The concept was cool, so why not go with it?
>> I design electronics, and what I do is called engineering.
>Thank God you're not a sanitation engineer ;>)
>> What do you do, and what is it called?
>Not relevant.
Of course it is.
>Why can't one ask a question here and/or posit a few of their own ideas or >advance a different point of view without getting attacked?
>>> Get grim and bitchy if it pleases you. I thought the original >>> observation was pretty powerful. >>Grim and bitchy?
> Yes, the pickiness and the waiting............. thing. The > concept was cool, so why not go with it?
It's hardly cool and is actually hackneyed.
>>> I design electronics, and what I do is called engineering.
>>Thank God you're not a sanitation engineer ;>)
>>> What do you do, and what is it called?
>>Not relevant.
> Of course it is.
OK, if you must know, I am a professor emiritus and once developed and taught an honor's course titled "Scientific Inquiry."
>>Why can't one ask a question here and/or posit a few of their own ideas or >>advance a different point of view without getting attacked? > Depends on how you do it.
Can't imagine how to do it when folks have such thin skins.
I honestly never meant to offend you! So, with that in mind, I apologize for my poor communication skills.
> >>>> As PH says, any field of study that includes "science" in its name > >>>> isn't one.
> >>>Umm ... how about computer science?
> >> Nothing scientific about that.
> >Nothing? Perhaps you are unaware of some of the research going on this > >area.
> I know people who teach computer science. I am unaware of any genuine > scientific (or practical) content. A little math here and there maybe.
> >How about medical science? Again, some of the research going on there is > >scientific.
> Do you mean medicine? Or biology? Or biochemistry? Or oncology? I'm > not sure what "medical science" is. I don't know anyone who calls > themselves a "medical scientist."
> >How about physical science?
> Are you referring to Physics? Chemistry? Optics? Does any university > have a School of Physical Science?
> Maybe "Materials Science" is a real science that uses the word > "science." Maybe. But most physicists and chemists would consider it > to be engineering.
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There was a little bit of science in the 'Earth Science' I took in 9th grade. I do remeber weighting things in terms of 'beads' and then making graphs in the note book.
<ggher...@gmail.com> wrote: >On Oct 28, 6:09 pm, John Larkin ><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:58:46 -0400, "Charles"
>> >>>> As PH says, any field of study that includes "science" in its name >> >>>> isn't one.
>> >>>Umm ... how about computer science?
>> >> Nothing scientific about that.
>> >Nothing? Perhaps you are unaware of some of the research going on this >> >area.
>> I know people who teach computer science. I am unaware of any genuine >> scientific (or practical) content. A little math here and there maybe.
>> >How about medical science? Again, some of the research going on there is >> >scientific.
>> Do you mean medicine? Or biology? Or biochemistry? Or oncology? I'm >> not sure what "medical science" is. I don't know anyone who calls >> themselves a "medical scientist."
>> >How about physical science?
>> Are you referring to Physics? Chemistry? Optics? Does any university >> have a School of Physical Science?
>> Maybe "Materials Science" is a real science that uses the word >> "science." Maybe. But most physicists and chemists would consider it >> to be engineering.
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>There was a little bit of science in the 'Earth Science' I took in 9th >grade. I do remeber weighting things in terms of 'beads' and then >making graphs in the note book.
>George H.
Most people who actually do "earth science" call themselves geologists.
>>>>>>>As PH says, any field of study that includes "science" in its name >>>>>>>isn't one.
>>>>>>Umm ... how about computer science?
>>>>>Nothing scientific about that.
>>>>Nothing? Perhaps you are unaware of some of the research going on this >>>>area.
>>>I know people who teach computer science. I am unaware of any genuine >>>scientific (or practical) content. A little math here and there maybe.
>>>>How about medical science? Again, some of the research going on there is >>>>scientific.
>>>Do you mean medicine? Or biology? Or biochemistry? Or oncology? I'm >>>not sure what "medical science" is. I don't know anyone who calls >>>themselves a "medical scientist."
>>>>How about physical science?
>>>Are you referring to Physics? Chemistry? Optics? Does any university >>>have a School of Physical Science?
>>>Maybe "Materials Science" is a real science that uses the word >>>"science." Maybe. But most physicists and chemists would consider it >>>to be engineering.
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>>There was a little bit of science in the 'Earth Science' I took in 9th >>grade. I do remeber weighting things in terms of 'beads' and then >>making graphs in the note book.
>>George H.
> Most people who actually do "earth science" call themselves > geologists.
> John
Not gynecologists?
Sorry, I know, bad! I'm just trying to blend in with the rest of them here.
>>>>>>>>As PH says, any field of study that includes "science" in its name >>>>>>>>isn't one.
>>>>>>>Umm ... how about computer science?
>>>>>>Nothing scientific about that.
>>>>>Nothing? Perhaps you are unaware of some of the research going on this >>>>>area.
>>>>I know people who teach computer science. I am unaware of any genuine >>>>scientific (or practical) content. A little math here and there maybe.
>>>>>How about medical science? Again, some of the research going on there is >>>>>scientific.
>>>>Do you mean medicine? Or biology? Or biochemistry? Or oncology? I'm >>>>not sure what "medical science" is. I don't know anyone who calls >>>>themselves a "medical scientist."
>>>>>How about physical science?
>>>>Are you referring to Physics? Chemistry? Optics? Does any university >>>>have a School of Physical Science?
>>>>Maybe "Materials Science" is a real science that uses the word >>>>"science." Maybe. But most physicists and chemists would consider it >>>>to be engineering.
>>>>John- Hide quoted text -
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>>>There was a little bit of science in the 'Earth Science' I took in 9th >>>grade. I do remeber weighting things in terms of 'beads' and then >>>making graphs in the note book.
>>>George H.
>> Most people who actually do "earth science" call themselves >> geologists.
>> John
>Not gynecologists?
> Sorry, I know, bad! I'm just trying to blend in with the rest of them >here.
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:53:57 -0800, John Larkin wrote: > On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:01:59 -0500, Jamie >>John Larkin wrote: >>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:13:56 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
>>>>There was a little bit of science in the 'Earth Science' I took in 9th >>>>grade. I do remeber weighting things in terms of 'beads' and then >>>>making graphs in the note book.
>>> Most people who actually do "earth science" call themselves geologists.
>>Not gynecologists?
>> Sorry, I know, bad! I'm just trying to blend in with the rest of them >>here.
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