>> "Kelly Greene" <kg1...@wildred.net> wrote in message >> news:hcqv0i$ri6$1@solani.org... >>> All creatures not able to cope with cats since they have no evolutionary >>> experience with them.
>> Too bad for them. Cats are top of the food chain.
> Cats are *NOT* at the top of the food chain. That's been explained to you > already. Coyotes, hawks and fox all eat housecats. Are you unable to > learn? A learning disability perhaps? The birds were here first and are > an important part of our ecosystem.
Sometimes I wonder if you are even part of the same world I am living in. Facts mean nothing to you. Logic means nothing to you. Even making things totally simple means nothing to you. You have your mind made up that I am wrong and that is all that matters to you. If this is a personal struggle for superiority, give it up. I know what I am talking about.
For your information, coyotes, hawks and foxes hardly even matter to the cat population at large.
But you already knew that. This is just a personal thing you have for proving me wrong.
>>> And you feel it's kinder to have them die of starvation, dehydration, >>> disease, cruel people who poison them...... you're all heart and part of >>> the reason the suffering continues. It's people like you who keep the >>> shelters full unwanted animals.
>> Kelly, get real.
> No, you get real. You're living in some fantasyland, some dream world of > your own.
>> Cats have been around for thousands of years, and in some stretch for >> millions of years.
> But here in America. They're not native here and you should know this > already.
>> And all through history we have no historic or even fossil record of cats >> overruning the human population and causing an ecological problem. >> If cat reproduction never caused a problem in the past, why do you think >> it would cause a problem now?
>> If it did, don't you think evidence of this would at least be in our >> ancient >> literature?
> Because disease and predation and man kept down their populations as we > still do. How can you be so ignorant of the facts?
What disease and predation? Cats face the same problems with their ecosystem now as they did then. Only now, WE are the predators!
> "Kelly Greene" <kg1...@wildred.net> wrote in message > news:hcr0ge$tp9$1@solani.org... > You're allowing them to >> reproduce with no mention of how you plan to find homes for the kittens.
> Kittens are no problem!
> Kittens are so cute, they practically take care of themselves.
> My vagrant female cat just had a litter of four.
> As soon as they were old enough, all but one of them left, never to be > heard from again.
> They were picked up. They were adopted. > Or they would have come back to the plentiful food I provide.
::headdesk:: ::headdesk:: ::headdesk::
Ohmyfriggingawd. NOBODY is that naive!
Mark - most likely those kittens DIED. They were not adopted. If they were picked up, it was by animal control or a random dog. They could have died of disease or hunger, hit by cars, attacked by dogs, attacked by kids. There are a lot more ways those kittens would have died, than that they would have a happy ending.
I've been patient, but either you're a troll or an idiot. And those who hang out here know I don't often actually call people that.
>>>>> I watched many male cats be castrated. Anesthesia is used and there is >>>>> no pain involved.
>>>> You don't know how the male cats felt afterward.
>>> How do you think they felt and why?
>> Being their same gender, it is easy for me to imagine such pain.
> What pain? Anesthesia is used just like in human surgery. They are asleep.
Like I said, you can't know because you're female. Ask some male you do trust how he would like getting castrated. Then maybe you will have some inclination.
> This has been explained to you but you seem unable to learn. > Who gave them an education on sexual matters? Who told them about > testicles and what they do? Why do you keep trying to make them human > beings? The cat has no idea what was done when > he, or she, wakes up.
> >> You're not taking care of them. You asked about the *cheapest food* to >>> feed them. You're not neutering or vaccinating them.
>> I won't neuter them, but I may vaccinate them.
> Of course you wont neuter them. You want more and more cats to suffer and > die an early death.
>> You're allowing them to >>> reproduce with no mention of how you plan to find homes for the kittens.
>> Kittens are no problem!
> Oh, you'll keep them all in your home and care and protect for them the > rest of their natural lives?
No, kittens like to explore. They go wherever they want to go.
>> Kittens are so cute, they practically take care of themselves. >> My vagrant female cat just had a litter of four.
> Good for you. Four more that will eventually end up in a shelter > somewhere, if they live long enough.
Like I said, you have already made up your mind that everything I say is wrong. So if you are decided, why are you still talking to me?
>> As soon as they were old enough, all but one of them left, never to be >> heard from again.
> That doesn't surprise me. No doubt a cruel child killed them or a mean > spirited adult did away with them - or someone took them to a shelter.
>> They were picked up. They were adopted. >> Or they would have come back to the plentiful food I provide.
> Keep dreaming!
>> If >>> no cats were euthanized, every town and city would be overrun with them. >>> Quality of life for humans, and safety must come first.
>>> In response, the grackle population is >>>> solved, the rat and mice problem is solved, no more snakes and lizards, >>>> and we are totally appreciated.
>>> Can you really be this stupid? Dumb enough to post such crap? You may >>> appreciate a world with nothing but starving diseased cats, but the rest >>> of society would never go along. If you weren't home schooled you would >>> know the importance to lizards, birds and snakes in the environment.
>> It takes all of the creatures of the ecosystem to ballance the lizards >> and the snakes and the birds.
> You've been told already that domestic housecats are not a natural part of > the ecosystem here in the USA.
But did I believe it? No. To the cats, humans are even merely a part of *their* ecosystem.
Wherever the cat goes, that place becomes part of its ecosystem. Did you assume that down through the ages, animals just stay put, and never wander around?
>>> How? Even if she was, she doesn't think and reason as a human would. Why >>> do you insist on anthromorphisizing cats?
>> Kelly, cats know about other cats. How do you think there ever comes to >> be kittens?
> Wasn't this already explained to you? Do you even read the replies you > get? Answer me this: How old are you and were you home schooled?
I'll be 51 in 3 days. I had private and public eduction, and state college education, in political science and psychology. I am also very good at physics, particularly astrophysics.
>>> It makes sense to you to claim cats think on and are as intelligent as >>> human beings? That makes no sense at all an is trollish.
>> In many ways cats are more intelligent than human beings. >> How many human beings that you know of can just walk up to a perfect >> stranger and get adopted?
> More comparing apples to oranges? Handbags to trench coats?
>>>> That is our fault for putting them where they will be killed. >>>> We need to stop that.
>>> What do you suggest society do with them all?
>> First, stop harming them. Second, supplement their nature kills >> with occasional food. Of course, vaccinate them by all means, since >> that means so much to you.
> Are you aware they carry several human > diseases such as ascarid infestation and "cat scratch fever" not to > mention rabies. You must be either home schooled and live a very sheltered > shut-in life, or you are trolling this group of genuine cat lovers.
This was not a problem for thousands of years of recorded history. And we can still vaccinate the wild cats if we want to. That is not a problem. They can have little tags on their collars that designate their vaccinations.
>> We have no right to kill them. We have no right to mutilate them.
> We have no right to allow them to suffer and die of disease and starvation > either.
>> Just let them reproduce, just as so many other animals of the world >> freely do without creating a problem.
> And when their numbers reach deadly proportions due to uncontrolled > breeding?
Again...patiently...that hasn't happened in...thousands...of years of recorded history...history in which there was abolutely NO neutering and spaying of animals!
>> They carry several human >>> diseases such as ascarid infestation and "cat scratch fever" not to >>> mention rabies. You must be either home schooled and live a very >>> sheltered shut-in life, or you are trolling this group of genuine cat >>> lovers.
> You didn't comment on the dangers of stray cats to humans, especially > children.
Well, I did now.
See above.
>>>> We make cats like us when we treat them that way.
>>> We don't MAKE cats do anything. And they're not human nor do they think >>> or reason as humans do. For some reason you can't accept that fact. A >>> cartoon is a cartoon, nothing more.
>> Well, you're on a tangent, here, but cartoons are much more than they >> appear to be. If they make us laugh,then in some way they are real. >> And that reality gets carried over to the observable reality. >> That is just the way things work in the real world.
> Only in YOUR world.
Well thank you. I didn't know the world was mine.
Did you ever see a Mickey Mouse cartoon? Do you feed
> the mice and rats in your home and neighborhood?
I have before, when they were gerbils and hamsters.
>> Do you really think people would be so interested in fiction if it were >> all a lie? It is reality. Reality in symbols.
> Only in YOUR mind. The rest of us enjoy them and don't start giving > animals human traits and reasoning ability.
What a dull world we would live in if that were true.
>>>> Neutering takes away from a male cat's sporting ways, and takes away >>>> his adventurous spirit.
>>> And what cat told you that? Neutering never changed my male cats high >>> spirits.
>> Then you don't know your cat.
> Of course I knew my cats. They lived in the house with me. Since you > never had one neutered you have no idea what changes would take place, if > any. My male cats stopped trying to rip holes in the screens to get out > and look for a female in heat. They stopped spraying urine everywhere. > Their strong smell vanished. They were happy to stay at home and laze on > sunny windowsills, play with their toys and do what normal housecats do.
>>> Created for? You and your wife and mother were also created to >>> reproduce. Does your wife have a child every 2 years? Did your mother >>> and other women in your family have a new infant every 2 to 3 years? >>> The female cat is not deprived because she knows nothing about >>> motherhood since she cannot read books or watch sex shows on TV.
>> When I was dating just about every female was totally interested in being >> a mother some day.
> You didn't answer the questions: Does your wife have a child every 2 > years?
No, we had the number we wanted, and stopped by the means available to us.
> Did your mother and other > women in your family have a new infant every 2 to 3 years?
No. They stopped, too.
I still believe, however, that couples should probably produce children their whole lives.
That will be possible when we move to other worlds and colonize space. I'm sure that sounds crazy to you, but most real things are proving that way to you about now. Just wait till it happens in a few short years.
>> Cats would be the same way.
> How would they know about sex and motherhood since they can't read books > and no one can explain it to them?
That amazing thing called instinct. Cats are born knowing how to care for kittens, for example.
> Suddenly, without warning, Mark Earnest exclaimed (11/4/2009 1:27 AM): >> "Kelly Greene" <kg1...@wildred.net> wrote in message >> news:hcr0ge$tp9$1@solani.org... >> You're allowing them to >>> reproduce with no mention of how you plan to find homes for the kittens.
>> Kittens are no problem!
>> Kittens are so cute, they practically take care of themselves.
>> My vagrant female cat just had a litter of four.
>> As soon as they were old enough, all but one of them left, never to be >> heard from again.
>> They were picked up. They were adopted. >> Or they would have come back to the plentiful food I provide.
> ::headdesk:: ::headdesk:: ::headdesk::
> Ohmyfriggingawd. NOBODY is that naive!
> Mark - most likely those kittens DIED. They were not adopted. If they > were picked up, it was by animal control or a random dog. They could have > died of disease or hunger, hit by cars, attacked by dogs, attacked by > kids. There are a lot more ways those kittens would have died, than that > they would have a happy ending.
That is the assumption people make, that things that happen away from total view happen in such a way as to support their point of view.
> I've been patient, but either you're a troll or an idiot. And those who > hang out here know I don't often actually call people that.
> "jmc" <NOnewsgroupsS...@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in message > news:7les64F3dk4i6U1@mid.individual.net... >> Suddenly, without warning, Mark Earnest exclaimed (11/4/2009 1:27 AM): >>> "Kelly Greene" <kg1...@wildred.net> wrote in message >>> news:hcr0ge$tp9$1@solani.org... >>> You're allowing them to >>>> reproduce with no mention of how you plan to find homes for the kittens. >>> Kittens are no problem!
>>> Kittens are so cute, they practically take care of themselves.
>>> My vagrant female cat just had a litter of four.
>>> As soon as they were old enough, all but one of them left, never to be >>> heard from again.
>>> They were picked up. They were adopted. >>> Or they would have come back to the plentiful food I provide.
>> ::headdesk:: ::headdesk:: ::headdesk::
>> Ohmyfriggingawd. NOBODY is that naive!
>> Mark - most likely those kittens DIED. They were not adopted. If they >> were picked up, it was by animal control or a random dog. They could have >> died of disease or hunger, hit by cars, attacked by dogs, attacked by >> kids. There are a lot more ways those kittens would have died, than that >> they would have a happy ending.
> That is the assumption people make, that things that happen away from > total view happen in such a way as to support their point of view.
And how is that not exactly what you're doing?
>> I've been patient, but either you're a troll or an idiot. And those who >> hang out here know I don't often actually call people that.
>> Kelly, give it up, it's a lost cause.
> Don't tell Kelly to give it up, tell me to.
Ok, then, please give it up. Pretty clear she's not going to change your mind, and you are not going to change her's (or mine).
We can agree to disagree. FWIW, you lost a lot of points with me when you refused Phil P.'s offer of assistance. If you truly cared about your colony (if it even exists), you would have taken Phil's assistance. Those of us who have been here for a while know Phil and his work with ferals well.
> Suddenly, without warning, Mark Earnest exclaimed (11/4/2009 9:44 PM): >> "jmc" <NOnewsgroupsS...@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in message >> news:7les64F3dk4i6U1@mid.individual.net... >>> Suddenly, without warning, Mark Earnest exclaimed (11/4/2009 1:27 AM): >>>> "Kelly Greene" <kg1...@wildred.net> wrote in message >>>> news:hcr0ge$tp9$1@solani.org... >>>> You're allowing them to >>>>> reproduce with no mention of how you plan to find homes for the >>>>> kittens. >>>> Kittens are no problem!
>>>> Kittens are so cute, they practically take care of themselves.
>>>> My vagrant female cat just had a litter of four.
>>>> As soon as they were old enough, all but one of them left, never to be >>>> heard from again.
>>>> They were picked up. They were adopted. >>>> Or they would have come back to the plentiful food I provide.
>>> ::headdesk:: ::headdesk:: ::headdesk::
>>> Ohmyfriggingawd. NOBODY is that naive!
>>> Mark - most likely those kittens DIED. They were not adopted. If they >>> were picked up, it was by animal control or a random dog. They could >>> have died of disease or hunger, hit by cars, attacked by dogs, attacked >>> by kids. There are a lot more ways those kittens would have died, than >>> that they would have a happy ending.
>> That is the assumption people make, that things that happen away from >> total view happen in such a way as to support their point of view.
> And how is that not exactly what you're doing?
>>> I've been patient, but either you're a troll or an idiot. And those who >>> hang out here know I don't often actually call people that.
>>> Kelly, give it up, it's a lost cause.
>> Don't tell Kelly to give it up, tell me to.
> Ok, then, please give it up. Pretty clear she's not going to change your > mind, and you are not going to change her's (or mine).
> We can agree to disagree. FWIW, you lost a lot of points with me when you > refused Phil P.'s offer of assistance. If you truly cared about your > colony (if it even exists), you would have taken Phil's assistance. Those > of us who have been here for a while know Phil and his work with ferals > well.
Let him blather on, if it makes him feel better. Just kf him if you don't want to see him.
> Suddenly, without warning, Mark Earnest exclaimed (11/4/2009 9:44 PM): >> "jmc" <NOnewsgroupsS...@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in message >> news:7les64F3dk4i6U1@mid.individual.net... >>> Suddenly, without warning, Mark Earnest exclaimed (11/4/2009 1:27 AM): >>>> "Kelly Greene" <kg1...@wildred.net> wrote in message >>>> news:hcr0ge$tp9$1@solani.org... >>>> You're allowing them to >>>>> reproduce with no mention of how you plan to find homes for the >>>>> kittens. >>>> Kittens are no problem!
>>>> Kittens are so cute, they practically take care of themselves.
>>>> My vagrant female cat just had a litter of four.
>>>> As soon as they were old enough, all but one of them left, never to be >>>> heard from again.
>>>> They were picked up. They were adopted. >>>> Or they would have come back to the plentiful food I provide.
>>> ::headdesk:: ::headdesk:: ::headdesk::
>>> Ohmyfriggingawd. NOBODY is that naive!
>>> Mark - most likely those kittens DIED. They were not adopted. If they >>> were picked up, it was by animal control or a random dog. They could >>> have died of disease or hunger, hit by cars, attacked by dogs, attacked >>> by kids. There are a lot more ways those kittens would have died, than >>> that they would have a happy ending.
>> That is the assumption people make, that things that happen away from >> total view happen in such a way as to support their point of view.
> And how is that not exactly what you're doing?
>>> I've been patient, but either you're a troll or an idiot. And those who >>> hang out here know I don't often actually call people that.
>>> Kelly, give it up, it's a lost cause.
>> Don't tell Kelly to give it up, tell me to.
> Ok, then, please give it up. Pretty clear she's not going to change your > mind, and you are not going to change her's (or mine).
> We can agree to disagree. FWIW, you lost a lot of points with me when you > refused Phil P.'s offer of assistance. If you truly cared about your > colony (if it even exists), you would have taken Phil's assistance. Those > of us who have been here for a while know Phil and his work with ferals > well.
Would you give your address out over the Internet to someone you just met?
It's amazing that you expect me to know everything.
> "jmc" <NOnewsgroupsS...@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in message > news:7lg6apF3e1900U1@mid.individual.net... >> Suddenly, without warning, Mark Earnest exclaimed (11/4/2009 9:44 PM): >>> "jmc" <NOnewsgroupsS...@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in message >>> news:7les64F3dk4i6U1@mid.individual.net... >>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mark Earnest exclaimed (11/4/2009 1:27 AM): >>>>> "Kelly Greene" <kg1...@wildred.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:hcr0ge$tp9$1@solani.org... >>>>> You're allowing them to >>>>>> reproduce with no mention of how you plan to find homes for the >>>>>> kittens. >>>>> Kittens are no problem!
>>>>> Kittens are so cute, they practically take care of themselves.
>>>>> My vagrant female cat just had a litter of four.
>>>>> As soon as they were old enough, all but one of them left, never to be >>>>> heard from again.
>>>>> They were picked up. They were adopted. >>>>> Or they would have come back to the plentiful food I provide.
>>>> ::headdesk:: ::headdesk:: ::headdesk::
>>>> Ohmyfriggingawd. NOBODY is that naive!
>>>> Mark - most likely those kittens DIED. They were not adopted. If they >>>> were picked up, it was by animal control or a random dog. They could >>>> have died of disease or hunger, hit by cars, attacked by dogs, attacked >>>> by kids. There are a lot more ways those kittens would have died, than >>>> that they would have a happy ending. >>> That is the assumption people make, that things that happen away from >>> total view happen in such a way as to support their point of view.
>> And how is that not exactly what you're doing?
>>>> I've been patient, but either you're a troll or an idiot. And those who >>>> hang out here know I don't often actually call people that.
>>>> Kelly, give it up, it's a lost cause. >>> Don't tell Kelly to give it up, tell me to.
>> Ok, then, please give it up. Pretty clear she's not going to change your >> mind, and you are not going to change her's (or mine).
>> We can agree to disagree. FWIW, you lost a lot of points with me when you >> refused Phil P.'s offer of assistance. If you truly cared about your >> colony (if it even exists), you would have taken Phil's assistance. Those >> of us who have been here for a while know Phil and his work with ferals >> well.
> Would you give your address out over the Internet to someone you just met?
> It's amazing that you expect me to know everything.
Actually, if you wanted to you could have worked something out - given the addy of a local shelter, for example.
And, yes I have. When I was posted overseas and needed parts for my truck, someone on the truck's forum offered to send me the parts. We were both very careful in the beginning (the part I needed was worth less than $10), but had a good working relationship for years, he sending me parts when I needed them, I'd send a little touristy gift with my check. It was a very useful relationship, actually. Not everyone here is deviant and a predator.
> Suddenly, without warning, Mark Earnest exclaimed (11/5/2009 3:36 PM): >> "jmc" <NOnewsgroupsS...@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in message >> news:7lg6apF3e1900U1@mid.individual.net... >>> Suddenly, without warning, Mark Earnest exclaimed (11/4/2009 9:44 PM): >>>> "jmc" <NOnewsgroupsS...@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in message >>>> news:7les64F3dk4i6U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mark Earnest exclaimed (11/4/2009 1:27 AM): >>>>>> "Kelly Greene" <kg1...@wildred.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:hcr0ge$tp9$1@solani.org... >>>>>> You're allowing them to >>>>>>> reproduce with no mention of how you plan to find homes for the >>>>>>> kittens. >>>>>> Kittens are no problem!
>>>>>> Kittens are so cute, they practically take care of themselves.
>>>>>> My vagrant female cat just had a litter of four.
>>>>>> As soon as they were old enough, all but one of them left, never to >>>>>> be >>>>>> heard from again.
>>>>>> They were picked up. They were adopted. >>>>>> Or they would have come back to the plentiful food I provide.
>>>>> ::headdesk:: ::headdesk:: ::headdesk::
>>>>> Ohmyfriggingawd. NOBODY is that naive!
>>>>> Mark - most likely those kittens DIED. They were not adopted. If >>>>> they were picked up, it was by animal control or a random dog. They >>>>> could have died of disease or hunger, hit by cars, attacked by dogs, >>>>> attacked by kids. There are a lot more ways those kittens would have >>>>> died, than that they would have a happy ending. >>>> That is the assumption people make, that things that happen away from >>>> total view happen in such a way as to support their point of view.
>>> And how is that not exactly what you're doing?
>>>>> I've been patient, but either you're a troll or an idiot. And those >>>>> who hang out here know I don't often actually call people that.
>>>>> Kelly, give it up, it's a lost cause. >>>> Don't tell Kelly to give it up, tell me to.
>>> Ok, then, please give it up. Pretty clear she's not going to change >>> your mind, and you are not going to change her's (or mine).
>>> We can agree to disagree. FWIW, you lost a lot of points with me when >>> you refused Phil P.'s offer of assistance. If you truly cared about >>> your colony (if it even exists), you would have taken Phil's assistance. >>> Those of us who have been here for a while know Phil and his work with >>> ferals well.
>> Would you give your address out over the Internet to someone you just >> met?
>> It's amazing that you expect me to know everything.
> Actually, if you wanted to you could have worked something out - given the > addy of a local shelter, for example.
It would get stolen there.
> And, yes I have. When I was posted overseas and needed parts for my > truck, someone on the truck's forum offered to send me the parts. We were > both very careful in the beginning (the part I needed was worth less than > $10), but had a good working relationship for years, he sending me parts > when I needed them, I'd send a little touristy gift with my check. It was > a very useful relationship, actually. Not everyone here is deviant and a > predator.
You've got to realize that those of this group almost without exception have a less than favorable opinion of me. Any one of which would love to post my personal home address up for all to see.
> "Kelly Greene" <kg1...@wildred.net> wrote in message > news:hct14u$3rg$1@solani.org... >> Cats are *NOT* at the top of the food chain. That's been explained to you >> already. Coyotes, hawks and fox all eat housecats. Are you unable to >> learn? A learning disability perhaps? The birds were here first and are >> an important part of our ecosystem.
> Sometimes I wonder if you are even part of the same world I am living in. > Facts mean nothing to you. Logic means nothing to you.
You're not logical when you claim cats are almost human and at the top of the food chain when they are not. That cartoons can be taken seriously.......
Even making things
> totally simple means nothing to you. You have your mind made up that I am > wrong and that is all that matters to you.
Of course you are wrong. Anyone in a rural area will tell you how fox, coyotes and large hawks will eat cats. They've seen it with their own eyes.
If this is a personal struggle
> for superiority, give it up. I know what I am talking about.
It has nothing to do with superiority. You are unable to learn anything.
> For your information, coyotes, hawks and foxes hardly even matter to the > cat population at large.
> But you already knew that. This is just a personal thing you have > for proving me wrong.
You are wrong. You have a learning disability and I'm wasting my time replying to you.
>> Because disease and predation and man kept down their populations as we >> still do. How can you be so ignorant of the facts? > What disease and predation?
You are unable to learn anything so look up cat disease on Google yourself.
>>>> How? Even if she was, she doesn't think and reason as a human would. >>>> Why do you insist on anthromorphisizing cats?
>>> Kelly, cats know about other cats. How do you think there ever comes to >>> be kittens?
>> Wasn't this already explained to you? Do you even read the replies you >> get? Answer me this: How old are you and were you home schooled?
> I'll be 51 in 3 days. I had private and public eduction, and state > college > education, in political science and psychology. I am also very good > at physics, particularly astrophysics.
> I also know how man may conquer space.
I'm sure there are astrophysicists that would love to know that information.
>> Are you aware they carry several human >> diseases such as ascarid infestation and "cat scratch fever" not to >> mention rabies. You must be either home schooled and live a very >> sheltered >> shut-in life, or you are trolling this group of genuine cat lovers. > This was not a problem for thousands of years of recorded history.
Yes it was and it still occurs today.
> And we can still vaccinate the wild cats if we want to. That is not a > problem.
You cannot vaccinate for cat-scratch-fever and roundworms.
They can have little tags on their collars that designate
> Suddenly, without warning, Mark Earnest exclaimed (11/4/2009 1:27 AM): >> "Kelly Greene" <kg1...@wildred.net> wrote in message >> news:hcr0ge$tp9$1@solani.org... >> You're allowing them to >>> reproduce with no mention of how you plan to find homes for the kittens.
>> Kittens are no problem!
>> Kittens are so cute, they practically take care of themselves.
>> My vagrant female cat just had a litter of four.
>> As soon as they were old enough, all but one of them left, never to be >> heard from again.
>> They were picked up. They were adopted. >> Or they would have come back to the plentiful food I provide.
> ::headdesk:: ::headdesk:: ::headdesk::
> Ohmyfriggingawd. NOBODY is that naive!
> Mark - most likely those kittens DIED. They were not adopted. If they > were picked up, it was by animal control or a random dog. They could have > died of disease or hunger, hit by cars, attacked by dogs, attacked by > kids. There are a lot more ways those kittens would have died, than that > they would have a happy ending.
> I've been patient, but either you're a troll or an idiot. And those who > hang out here know I don't often actually call people that.
> Kelly, give it up, it's a lost cause.
I just did. See my reply to him above. He's either a troll, or I agree, he's and idiot.
>>>>> How? Even if she was, she doesn't think and reason as a human would. >>>>> Why do you insist on anthromorphisizing cats?
>>>> Kelly, cats know about other cats. How do you think there ever comes >>>> to be kittens?
>>> Wasn't this already explained to you? Do you even read the replies you >>> get? Answer me this: How old are you and were you home schooled?
>> I'll be 51 in 3 days. I had private and public eduction, and state >> college >> education, in political science and psychology. I am also very good >> at physics, particularly astrophysics.
>> I also know how man may conquer space.
> I'm sure there are astrophysicists that would love to know that > information.
>>> Are you aware they carry several human >>> diseases such as ascarid infestation and "cat scratch fever" not to >>> mention rabies. You must be either home schooled and live a very >>> sheltered >>> shut-in life, or you are trolling this group of genuine cat lovers.
>> This was not a problem for thousands of years of recorded history.
> Yes it was and it still occurs today.
>> And we can still vaccinate the wild cats if we want to. That is not a >> problem.
> You cannot vaccinate for cat-scratch-fever and roundworms.
> They can have little tags on their collars that designate >> their vaccinations.
> Now I know you're trolling...................
> SNIP!!!!!!!!!!
And the utterance, trolling, is devoid of meaning, except for taking you for a ride.
We did good, Kate. I worked on a solution, and you found holes in it, so that I could come up with an even better solution...
> "jmc" <NOnewsgroupsS...@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in message > news:7lh0vnF3dld78U1@mid.individual.net... >> Suddenly, without warning, Mark Earnest exclaimed (11/5/2009 3:36 PM): >>> "jmc" <NOnewsgroupsS...@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in message >>> news:7lg6apF3e1900U1@mid.individual.net... >>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mark Earnest exclaimed (11/4/2009 9:44 PM): >>>>> "jmc" <NOnewsgroupsS...@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in message >>>>> news:7les64F3dk4i6U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mark Earnest exclaimed (11/4/2009 1:27 AM): >>>>>>> "Kelly Greene" <kg1...@wildred.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:hcr0ge$tp9$1@solani.org... >>>>>>> You're allowing them to >>>>>>>> reproduce with no mention of how you plan to find homes for the >>>>>>>> kittens. >>>>>>> Kittens are no problem!
>>>>>>> Kittens are so cute, they practically take care of themselves.
>>>>>>> My vagrant female cat just had a litter of four.
>>>>>>> As soon as they were old enough, all but one of them left, never to >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> heard from again.
>>>>>>> They were picked up. They were adopted. >>>>>>> Or they would have come back to the plentiful food I provide.
>>>>>> ::headdesk:: ::headdesk:: ::headdesk::
>>>>>> Ohmyfriggingawd. NOBODY is that naive!
>>>>>> Mark - most likely those kittens DIED. They were not adopted. If >>>>>> they were picked up, it was by animal control or a random dog. They >>>>>> could have died of disease or hunger, hit by cars, attacked by dogs, >>>>>> attacked by kids. There are a lot more ways those kittens would have >>>>>> died, than that they would have a happy ending. >>>>> That is the assumption people make, that things that happen away from >>>>> total view happen in such a way as to support their point of view.
>>>> And how is that not exactly what you're doing?
>>>>>> I've been patient, but either you're a troll or an idiot. And those >>>>>> who hang out here know I don't often actually call people that.
>>>>>> Kelly, give it up, it's a lost cause. >>>>> Don't tell Kelly to give it up, tell me to.
>>>> Ok, then, please give it up. Pretty clear she's not going to change >>>> your mind, and you are not going to change her's (or mine).
>>>> We can agree to disagree. FWIW, you lost a lot of points with me when >>>> you refused Phil P.'s offer of assistance. If you truly cared about >>>> your colony (if it even exists), you would have taken Phil's assistance. >>>> Those of us who have been here for a while know Phil and his work with >>>> ferals well. >>> Would you give your address out over the Internet to someone you just >>> met?
>>> It's amazing that you expect me to know everything. >> Actually, if you wanted to you could have worked something out - given the >> addy of a local shelter, for example.
> It would get stolen there.
>> And, yes I have. When I was posted overseas and needed parts for my >> truck, someone on the truck's forum offered to send me the parts. We were >> both very careful in the beginning (the part I needed was worth less than >> $10), but had a good working relationship for years, he sending me parts >> when I needed them, I'd send a little touristy gift with my check. It was >> a very useful relationship, actually. Not everyone here is deviant and a >> predator.
> You've got to realize that those of this group almost without exception > have a less than favorable opinion of me. Any one of which would love > to post my personal home address up for all to see.
And I thought I was paranoid. This is Usenet. Most people could care a rat's ass about you personally, and wouldn't bother posting stuff - the people who do that sort of crap are few and far between. And it's not like I suggested posting your address *here*. You ignored that I suggested working through a shelter - not your personal home address.
> Suddenly, without warning, Mark Earnest exclaimed (11/5/2009 5:20 PM): >> "jmc" <NOnewsgroupsS...@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in message >> news:7lh0vnF3dld78U1@mid.individual.net... >>> Suddenly, without warning, Mark Earnest exclaimed (11/5/2009 3:36 PM): >>>> "jmc" <NOnewsgroupsS...@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in message >>>> news:7lg6apF3e1900U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mark Earnest exclaimed (11/4/2009 9:44 PM): >>>>>> "jmc" <NOnewsgroupsS...@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in message >>>>>> news:7les64F3dk4i6U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mark Earnest exclaimed (11/4/2009 1:27 >>>>>>> AM): >>>>>>>> "Kelly Greene" <kg1...@wildred.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:hcr0ge$tp9$1@solani.org... >>>>>>>> You're allowing them to >>>>>>>>> reproduce with no mention of how you plan to find homes for the >>>>>>>>> kittens. >>>>>>>> Kittens are no problem!
>>>>>>>> Kittens are so cute, they practically take care of themselves.
>>>>>>>> My vagrant female cat just had a litter of four.
>>>>>>>> As soon as they were old enough, all but one of them left, never to >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> heard from again.
>>>>>>>> They were picked up. They were adopted. >>>>>>>> Or they would have come back to the plentiful food I provide.
>>>>>>> ::headdesk:: ::headdesk:: ::headdesk::
>>>>>>> Ohmyfriggingawd. NOBODY is that naive!
>>>>>>> Mark - most likely those kittens DIED. They were not adopted. If >>>>>>> they were picked up, it was by animal control or a random dog. They >>>>>>> could have died of disease or hunger, hit by cars, attacked by dogs, >>>>>>> attacked by kids. There are a lot more ways those kittens would >>>>>>> have died, than that they would have a happy ending. >>>>>> That is the assumption people make, that things that happen away from >>>>>> total view happen in such a way as to support their point of view.
>>>>> And how is that not exactly what you're doing?
>>>>>>> I've been patient, but either you're a troll or an idiot. And those >>>>>>> who hang out here know I don't often actually call people that.
>>>>>>> Kelly, give it up, it's a lost cause. >>>>>> Don't tell Kelly to give it up, tell me to.
>>>>> Ok, then, please give it up. Pretty clear she's not going to change >>>>> your mind, and you are not going to change her's (or mine).
>>>>> We can agree to disagree. FWIW, you lost a lot of points with me when >>>>> you refused Phil P.'s offer of assistance. If you truly cared about >>>>> your colony (if it even exists), you would have taken Phil's >>>>> assistance. Those of us who have been here for a while know Phil and >>>>> his work with ferals well. >>>> Would you give your address out over the Internet to someone you just >>>> met?
>>>> It's amazing that you expect me to know everything. >>> Actually, if you wanted to you could have worked something out - given >>> the addy of a local shelter, for example.
>> It would get stolen there.
>>> And, yes I have. When I was posted overseas and needed parts for my >>> truck, someone on the truck's forum offered to send me the parts. We >>> were both very careful in the beginning (the part I needed was worth >>> less than $10), but had a good working relationship for years, he >>> sending me parts when I needed them, I'd send a little touristy gift >>> with my check. It was a very useful relationship, actually. Not >>> everyone here is deviant and a predator.
>> You've got to realize that those of this group almost without exception >> have a less than favorable opinion of me. Any one of which would love >> to post my personal home address up for all to see.
> And I thought I was paranoid. This is Usenet. Most people could care a > rat's ass about you personally, and wouldn't bother posting stuff - the > people who do that sort of crap are few and far between. And it's not > like I suggested posting your address *here*. You ignored that I > suggested working through a shelter - not your personal home address.
> I understand your caution, but... whatever.
Of course I'm paranoid. Look at how practically every person on this group attacked me. Wouldn't you be?
But as a wise person once told me, "Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
On Nov 3, 1:22 pm, "cybercat" <cyberpu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Phil P." <p...@maxshouse.com> wrote in message > > I'd really like to help you with neighborhood cats. If you let me know > > where you're located I'll bring over a few 20# bags and a few cases of cat > > food. Only the good stuff.
> Marry me, Phil. Oh no, wait, I am already married.
I'm sure he would be glad to be set free of you, even though he's been neutered; maybe he could grow them back.
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