Was this a bathroom break song for you? A favorite?
In my own experience, it sometimes sucked the life out of a second set. 7/16/90 is a good example of this. They start out fiery with Sugar Magnolia -> Scarlet -> Rape the Women of Sparta, and then immediately pull down the energy with Ship. That song is a real bummer there.
On the other hand, there are times when it hits me just right. It is sorta like Row Jimmy in that respect.
Jerry could, on occasion, milk some really sweet solos from this tune.
On Nov 6, 1:56 pm, "3jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 1:54 pm, James Pablos <james.pab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Was this a bathroom break song for you? A favorite?
> A favorite.
It was a favorite of mine. The lyrics, given the context of deadshow insanity, always hit home for me. Besides, by that time in set 2 i was usually ready to chill out a bit. I'd wait for the space to hit the head, usually.
On Nov 6, 11:06 am, ACK islander <steve.lar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 1:56 pm, "3jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 1:54 pm, James Pablos <james.pab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Was this a bathroom break song for you? A favorite?
> > A favorite.
> It was a favorite of mine. The lyrics, given the context of deadshow > insanity, always hit home for me. Besides, by that time in set 2 i was > usually ready to chill out a bit. I'd wait for the space to hit the > head, usually.
On Nov 6, 10:54 am, James Pablos <james.pab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Was this a bathroom break song for you? A favorite?
> In my own experience, it sometimes sucked the life out of a second > set. 7/16/90 is a good example of this. They start out fiery with > Sugar Magnolia -> Scarlet -> Rape the Women of Sparta, and then > immediately pull down the energy with Ship. That song is a real bummer > there.
This "oh, it pulled the energy right out of the set" theme is something I never got. One of the best things I loved about the Dead is the variation of moods and tempos and such. It's something they understood way better than most bands did.
As a counter of this, I remember seeing King Crimson during the discipline era. Yeah, they were awesome, but after endless tunes of balls out raving with no letup, I found myself getting annoyed and wished they would take a minute to STFU with the errgghh and put a little counterpoint of quiet in there for balance. I find juxposition of different elements to be far more satisfying than a constant schmeer of sameness, and the Dead knew how to do it both dynamically and stylistically.
Most definitely a favorite although I see what you're saying to a certain extent-if either your mood or the band itself didn't mesh it could be a mild bummer, but when you were in sync with it...
I was browsing in a bookstore at lunch time the other day and picked up a book by Focault and lo and behold:
The Ship of Fools, or Narrenschiff, appeared as leprosy vanished. It was a literary device that had a real existence.
Madness or folly is important in tales and fables. In such tales, the madman speaks the truth. Folly is also important in learned literature; it is at the heart of reason.
On 2009-11-06 14:06:58 -0500, ACK islander <steve.lar...@gmail.com> said:
> On Nov 6, 1:56 pm, "3jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Nov 6, 1:54 pm, James Pablos <james.pab...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Was this a bathroom break song for you? A favorite?
>> A favorite.
> It was a favorite of mine. The lyrics, given the context of deadshow > insanity, always hit home for me. Besides, by that time in set 2 i was > usually ready to chill out a bit. I'd wait for the space to hit the > head, usually.
> SL
I remember one show up in Buffalo, Andre and I were sitting on a little rise inside the venue grounds, but not actually inside... and watching the people cutting thru the fence on one side of us to get IN, and folks pulling down the fence on the other side of us to get OUT.
The song never seemed more fitting, and now that's what comes to mind every time I hear it.
In article <c7e97a1b-d725-425a-a011-5eb795811...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, James Pablos <james.pab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Was this a bathroom break song for you? A favorite?
> In my own experience, it sometimes sucked the life out of a second > set. 7/16/90 is a good example of this. They start out fiery with > Sugar Magnolia -> Scarlet -> Rape the Women of Sparta, and then > immediately pull down the energy with Ship. That song is a real bummer > there.
> On the other hand, there are times when it hits me just right. It is > sorta like Row Jimmy in that respect.
> Jerry could, on occasion, milk some really sweet solos from this tune.
I saw them mostly in the 70s and early 80s and I always loved hearing this song.
Edwin -- If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies. -Moshe Dayan
Lfh <onetaste2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Nov 6, 10:54 am, James Pablos <james.pab...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Was this a bathroom break song for you? A favorite?
> > In my own experience, it sometimes sucked the life out of a second > > set. 7/16/90 is a good example of this. They start out fiery with > > Sugar Magnolia -> Scarlet -> Rape the Women of Sparta, and then > > immediately pull down the energy with Ship. That song is a real bummer > > there.
> This "oh, it pulled the energy right out of the set" theme is > something I never got. One of the best things I loved about the Dead > is the variation of moods and tempos and such. It's something they > understood way better than most bands did.
> As a counter of this, I remember seeing King Crimson during the > discipline era. Yeah, they were awesome, but after endless tunes of > balls out raving with no letup, I found myself getting annoyed and > wished they would take a minute to STFU with the errgghh and put a > little counterpoint of quiet in there for balance. I find juxposition > of different elements to be far more satisfying than a constant > schmeer of sameness, and the Dead knew how to do it both dynamically > and stylistically.
> Fred
I hear you about KC during that time, but the shows I saw ('82) had a good variety of dynamics. The Sheltering Sky was very quiet and gentle.
Edwin -- If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies. -Moshe Dayan
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:54:04 -0800 (PST), James Pablos
<james.pab...@gmail.com> wrote: >Was this a bathroom break song for you? A favorite?
Too early in the set for a bathroom break.
Actually, I'm with you: sometimes it hit me just right, other times, it dragged. Same thing when I'm listening to a Dead concert recording. I'm often tempted to skip over this song, but I usually end up listening all the way through. -- ~ Seth Jackson
I've always loved "Ship of Fools". Unlike Deal or US Blues or , gasp, Day Job, I never heard them overplay it. It was always something of a novelty to my ears.
Later, as I came to understand it was Hunter's broadside screed against the colussus the Dead had become, I always loved it even more.
Here, the band was being called on the carpet by an insider for self indulgence and not respecting his contributions. And unlike other bands who might have swept it under the rug and got a new writer, the Dead enshrined that moment forever as a classic song.
On Nov 7, 7:37 am, John Doherty <j...@johndoherty.com> wrote:
> Later, as I came to understand it was Hunter's broadside screed > against the colussus the Dead had become, I always loved it even > more.
> Here, the band was being called on the carpet by an insider for self > indulgence and not respecting his contributions. And unlike other > bands who might have swept it under the rug and got a new writer, the > Dead enshrined that moment forever as a classic song.
Gotta source for this take? I've never heard of this one before.
<hitmeis...@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote: >On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:54:04 -0800 (PST), James Pablos ><james.pab...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Was this a bathroom break song for you? A favorite?
>Too early in the set for a bathroom break.
>Actually, I'm with you: sometimes it hit me just right, other times, >it dragged. Same thing when I'm listening to a Dead concert >recording. I'm often tempted to skip over this song, but I usually >end up listening all the way through.
I always that they should have worked out a trade here. Trade it to the first set for Bird Song or even Brown-Eyed.
> On Nov 7, 7:37 am, John Doherty <j...@johndoherty.com> wrote:
> > Later, as I came to understand it was Hunter's broadside screed > > against the colossus the Dead had become, I always loved it even > > more.
> > Here, the band was being called on the carpet by an insider for self > > indulgence and not respecting his contributions. And unlike other > > bands who might have swept it under the rug and got a new writer, the > > Dead enshrined that moment forever as a classic song.
On Nov 7, 11:26 am, Lfh <onetaste2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Gotta source for this take? I've never heard of this one before.
I can't recall where I first read it, but maybe Long Strange Trip, or it might have been somewhere earlier. I just googled and came up with this discussion on the Well, which includes David Gans supporting this take:
deadsongs.vue.180 : Ship Of Fools permalink #12 of 32: David Gans (tnf) Sun 13 Feb 05 14:50
It can also be interpreted as an epistle to Deadland.
deadsongs.vue.180 : Ship Of Fools permalink #13 of 32: Lightning in a Box (unkljohn) Sun 13 Feb 05 15:22
Ah, I hadn't thought of that. Then is he talking about going to see the captain, as in talking to himself, Capt. Trips? Or am I reaching to far?
deadsongs.vue.180 : Ship Of Fools permalink #14 of 32: David Gans (tnf) Sun 13 Feb 05 15:38
Your captainage may vary, and I wouldn't imagine Hunter thinking of "Capt Trips" at all, but I do think it's worthwhile to imagine that Jerry is the "Captain" in that song.
deadsongs.vue.180 : Ship Of Fools permalink #15 of 32: Lightning in a Box (unkljohn) Sun 13 Feb 05 16:00
I'll have to listen to it again and look at it differently.
deadsongs.vue.180 : Ship Of Fools permalink #16 of 32: David A. Mason (mntnwolf) Sun 13 Feb 05 23:02
> It can also be interpreted as an epistle to Deadland.
Yeah, but then i just don't "get" it... by early 1974, what in Deadland could've been a "first ship" that had sank & drown??? Other than the death of Pig and the Lenny Hart fiasco, it'd been pretty smooth sailing and plenty fun up to then... Hit albums and growing audiences, supreme music, Wall of Sound to debut, GD's own label (Round Records) going great, they were Masters of their own little Universe in early 74, eh?
If this'd been penned in the 80's, or even 1976, i'd understand.
In this direction, the only interpretation that has made sense to me for the "first ship" is the Haight-Asbury scene of 1966-67... that surely did crash on the rocks, partly from a lack of communal cooperation (rocking of the boat). Many good-hearted people sank in various nasty ways, many were just abandoned to float, i guess. Some swam -- like the GD themselves, who swam Olympically. But then who is this calling the singer "child", who is this strange Captain of the new Ship...?
deadsongs.vue.180 : Ship Of Fools permalink #17 of 32: Lightning in a Box (unkljohn) Mon 14 Feb 05 05:37
I didn't start seeing shows until 1978, so I can only relate what Beth has said about why she split from the scene from about 1974 until about 1985....the energy had gotten weird and stuff like heroin showing up with people doing it in the shows, stuff like that made her skee-dattle. So that might be the first ship sinking and drowning from rocking of the boat.........
deadsongs.vue.180 : Ship Of Fools permalink #18 of 32: David Gans (tnf) Tue 15 Feb 05 07:31
David, I am not suggesting that this is the only interpretation, nor the "literal" "meaning" of the song. But it's also true that there are any number of things that went on behind the scenes that we wouldn't know about.
----end quote----
I snipped a bit here, to get rid of non relevant entries. In the last passage, Gans is addressing David Dodd of the Annotated Dead lyrics.
I think Hunter was truly pissed at the Beast the Dead had become; perhaps cocaine becoming a big part of the scene had something to do with it. I have understood the Captain to be Jerry, and Grateful Dead productions to be the ship. Hunter felt like he was being undervalued by these suddenly venerated gods of the rock scene, and he was serving notice that their heads were 3 sizes too large.
Think how neatly it fits.
He goes to see the Captain, the "strangest he could find" and tells him he won't "slave for beggars pay, likewise gold & jewels"; so the dispute is not just about money, but a strike right at the heart of rock star ego, and the ship of fools the hippie dream became. He would "slave to learn the way to sink your ship of fools"; to let the air out of all that ego and cocaine driven hubris.
His declaration of independence:
"Ship of fools, on a cruel sea...sail away from me".
"It was later than I thought/ when I first believed you Now I cannot share your laughter/ ship of fools"
Maybe Jerry & he had a conversation early on about how far this whole thing could go?
then there's the enigmatic lines about the "first ship" sinking & drowning from rocking of the boat. Maybe it's the summer of love, Haight Ashbury, Olompali or some other youthful idealistic dream now in tatters?
"the bottles stand as empty, as they was filled before Time there was and plenty, but from that cup no more"
I see this as Hunter saying he can't work with them like he used to, and maybe the collaboration is over if some changes are not made, immediately.
In the end, he warns a few not to "lend your hand to raise no flag atop no ship of fools"
I think it's one of Hunter's angriest songs, and the fury is directed within the organization, not at some outside villain.
The fact that Garcia saw it as great, and valuable, and a perfect cautionary tale to include in the catalog, speaks volumes.
And they must have done something to make Hunter feel more welcome; there's certainly missing pieces of the history we don't know.
>> On Nov 7, 7:37 am, John Doherty <j...@johndoherty.com> wrote:
>> > Later, as I came to understand it was Hunter's broadside screed >> > against the colossus the Dead had become, I always loved it even >> > more.
>> > Here, the band was being called on the carpet by an insider for self >> > indulgence and not respecting his contributions. And unlike other >> > bands who might have swept it under the rug and got a new writer, the >> > Dead enshrined that moment forever as a classic song.
>On Nov 7, 11:26 am, Lfh <onetaste2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Gotta source for this take? I've never heard of this one before.
>I can't recall where I first read it, but maybe Long Strange Trip, or >it might have been somewhere earlier. I just googled and came up with >this discussion on the Well, which includes David Gans supporting this >take:
>deadsongs.vue.180 : Ship Of Fools >permalink #12 of 32: David Gans (tnf) Sun 13 Feb 05 14:50
>It can also be interpreted as an epistle to Deadland.
>deadsongs.vue.180 : Ship Of Fools >permalink #13 of 32: Lightning in a Box (unkljohn) Sun 13 Feb 05 15:22
>Ah, I hadn't thought of that. Then is he talking about going to see >the >captain, as in talking to himself, Capt. Trips? Or am I reaching to >far?
>deadsongs.vue.180 : Ship Of Fools >permalink #14 of 32: David Gans (tnf) Sun 13 Feb 05 15:38
>Your captainage may vary, and I wouldn't imagine Hunter thinking of >"Capt >Trips" at all, but I do think it's worthwhile to imagine that Jerry is >the >"Captain" in that song.
>deadsongs.vue.180 : Ship Of Fools >permalink #15 of 32: Lightning in a Box (unkljohn) Sun 13 Feb 05 16:00
>I'll have to listen to it again and look at it differently.
>deadsongs.vue.180 : Ship Of Fools >permalink #16 of 32: David A. Mason (mntnwolf) Sun 13 Feb 05 23:02
>> It can also be interpreted as an epistle to Deadland.
>Yeah, but then i just don't "get" it... by early 1974, what in >Deadland could've been a "first ship" that had sank & drown??? >Other than the death of Pig and the Lenny Hart fiasco, it'd been >pretty smooth sailing and plenty fun up to then... Hit albums >and growing audiences, supreme music, Wall of Sound to debut, >GD's own label (Round Records) going great, they were Masters of >their own little Universe in early 74, eh?
>If this'd been penned in the 80's, or even 1976, i'd understand.
>In this direction, the only interpretation that has made sense to >me for the "first ship" is the Haight-Asbury scene of 1966-67... >that surely did crash on the rocks, partly from a lack of communal >cooperation (rocking of the boat). Many good-hearted people sank >in various nasty ways, many were just abandoned to float, i guess. >Some swam -- like the GD themselves, who swam Olympically. But >then who is this calling the singer "child", who is this strange >Captain of the new Ship...?
>deadsongs.vue.180 : Ship Of Fools >permalink #17 of 32: Lightning in a Box (unkljohn) Mon 14 Feb 05 05:37
>I didn't start seeing shows until 1978, so I can only relate what Beth >has >said about why she split from the scene from about 1974 until about >1985....the energy had gotten weird and stuff like heroin showing up >with >people doing it in the shows, stuff like that made her skee-dattle. >So >that might be the first ship sinking and drowning from rocking of the >boat.........
>deadsongs.vue.180 : Ship Of Fools >permalink #18 of 32: David Gans (tnf) Tue 15 Feb 05 07:31
>David, I am not suggesting that this is the only interpretation, nor >the >"literal" "meaning" of the song. But it's also true that there are >any >number of things that went on behind the scenes that we wouldn't know >about.
>----end quote----
>I snipped a bit here, to get rid of non relevant entries. In the last >passage, Gans is addressing David Dodd of the Annotated Dead lyrics.
>I think Hunter was truly pissed at the Beast the Dead had become; >perhaps cocaine becoming a big part of the scene had something to do >with it. I have understood the Captain to be Jerry, and Grateful Dead >productions to be the ship. Hunter felt like he was being undervalued >by these suddenly venerated gods of the rock scene, and he was serving >notice that their heads were 3 sizes too large.
>Think how neatly it fits.
>He goes to see the Captain, the "strangest he could find" and tells >him he won't "slave for beggars pay, likewise gold & jewels"; so the >dispute is not just about money, but a strike right at the heart of >rock star ego, and the ship of fools the hippie dream became. He would >"slave to learn the way to sink your ship of fools"; to let the air >out of all that ego and cocaine driven hubris.
>His declaration of independence:
>"Ship of fools, on a cruel sea...sail away from me".
>"It was later than I thought/ when I first believed you >Now I cannot share your laughter/ ship of fools"
>Maybe Jerry & he had a conversation early on about how far this whole >thing could go?
>then there's the enigmatic lines about the "first ship" sinking & >drowning from rocking of the boat. Maybe it's the summer of love, >Haight Ashbury, Olompali or some other youthful idealistic dream now >in tatters?
>"the bottles stand as empty, as they was filled before >Time there was and plenty, but from that cup no more"
>I see this as Hunter saying he can't work with them like he used to, >and maybe the collaboration is over if some changes are not made, >immediately.
>In the end, he warns a few not to "lend your hand to raise no flag >atop no ship of fools"
>I think it's one of Hunter's angriest songs, and the fury is directed >within the organization, not at some outside villain.
>The fact that Garcia saw it as great, and valuable, and a perfect >cautionary tale to include in the catalog, speaks volumes.
>And they must have done something to make Hunter feel more welcome; >there's certainly missing pieces of the history we don't know.
You could well be right with this interpretation and I don't have an alternative one, but to me it's a pretty big reach. I also see the comments by Gans as being more speculation than confirmation.
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:01:41 -0500, bzl...@aaool.com wrote: >On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:49:48 -0800, Pepe Papon ><hitmeis...@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote:
>>On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:54:04 -0800 (PST), James Pablos >><james.pab...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Was this a bathroom break song for you? A favorite?
>>Too early in the set for a bathroom break.
>>Actually, I'm with you: sometimes it hit me just right, other times, >>it dragged. Same thing when I'm listening to a Dead concert >>recording. I'm often tempted to skip over this song, but I usually >>end up listening all the way through.
>I always that they should have worked out a trade here. Trade it to >the first set for Bird Song or even Brown-Eyed.
Now that would be an interesting topic: first set songs that should have been played in the second set but rarely or never were, and vice versa. Bird Song definitely would have fit in nicely as as second setter. I always thought Samson would have been a good first set opener or closer.
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:24:43 -0800 (PST), John Doherty (snip)
> >I think Hunter was truly pissed at the Beast the Dead had become; > >perhaps cocaine becoming a big part of the scene had something to do > >with it. I have understood the Captain to be Jerry, and Grateful Dead > >productions to be the ship. Hunter felt like he was being undervalued > >by these suddenly venerated gods of the rock scene, and he was serving > >notice that their heads were 3 sizes too large.
> >Think how neatly it fits.
> >He goes to see the Captain, the "strangest he could find" and tells > >him he won't "slave for beggars pay, likewise gold & jewels"; so the > >dispute is not just about money, but a strike right at the heart of > >rock star ego, and the ship of fools the hippie dream became. He would > >"slave to learn the way to sink your ship of fools"; to let the air > >out of all that ego and cocaine driven hubris.
> >His declaration of independence:
> >"Ship of fools, on a cruel sea...sail away from me".
> >"It was later than I thought/ when I first believed you > >Now I cannot share your laughter/ ship of fools"
> >Maybe Jerry & he had a conversation early on about how far this whole > >thing could go?
> >then there's the enigmatic lines about the "first ship" sinking & > >drowning from rocking of the boat. Maybe it's the summer of love, > >Haight Ashbury, Olompali or some other youthful idealistic dream now > >in tatters?
> >"the bottles stand as empty, as they was filled before > >Time there was and plenty, but from that cup no more"
> >I see this as Hunter saying he can't work with them like he used to, > >and maybe the collaboration is over if some changes are not made, > >immediately.
> >In the end, he warns a few not to "lend your hand to raise no flag > >atop no ship of fools"
> >I think it's one of Hunter's angriest songs, and the fury is directed > >within the organization, not at some outside villain.
> >The fact that Garcia saw it as great, and valuable, and a perfect > >cautionary tale to include in the catalog, speaks volumes.
> >And they must have done something to make Hunter feel more welcome; > >there's certainly missing pieces of the history we don't know.
On Nov 7, 12:59 pm, JimK <jkezw...@comcast.net> wrote:
> You could well be right with this interpretation and I don't have an > alternative one, but to me it's a pretty big reach. I also see the > comments by Gans as being more speculation than confirmation.
David Gans is being diplomatic, if I don't miss my guess.
He's far more "inside" than anyone else addressing it , even Dodd (he's conducted many, many interviews with all the players, and I'm sure he is not obliged to print every word they say to him. In fact, if he did, they would probably not consent to further interviews;-).
So, when he says:
"But it's also true that there are any number of things that went on behind the scenes that we wouldn't know about."
my guess is the whole truth is more like:
"But it's also true that there are any number of things that went on behind the scenes that (you) wouldn't know about (but I might know a few, the detailing of which is not in anyone's interest-- yours, mine or the Dead's)."
JimK wrote: > On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:01:41 -0500, bzl...@aaool.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:49:48 -0800, Pepe Papon >> <hitmeis...@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:54:04 -0800 (PST), James Pablos >>> <james.pab...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Was this a bathroom break song for you? A favorite? >>> Too early in the set for a bathroom break.
>>> Actually, I'm with you: sometimes it hit me just right, other times, >>> it dragged. Same thing when I'm listening to a Dead concert >>> recording. I'm often tempted to skip over this song, but I usually >>> end up listening all the way through. >> I always that they should have worked out a trade here. Trade it to >> the first set for Bird Song or even Brown-Eyed.
> Now that would be an interesting topic: first set songs that should > have been played in the second set but rarely or never were, and vice > versa. Bird Song definitely would have fit in nicely as as second > setter. I always thought Samson would have been a good first set > opener or closer.
Cassidy, straight to the second set with ye... That Cassidy>UJB>Cassidy from 94 or so confirmed my suspicion that Cassidy belonged in the second set...
Long Long Long Long Long Long Way to Go Home: straight to the sound check for you... And no further...
> Cassidy, straight to the second set with ye... That Cassidy>UJB>Cassidy > from 94 or so confirmed my suspicion that Cassidy belonged in the second > set...
> Long Long Long Long Long Long Way to Go Home: straight to the sound > check for you... And no further...-
Music Never Stopped to second set pre drums, Round and Round/Johnny B. Goode to middle of the first set (if then).
On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:15:27 -0800 (PST), "3jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Cassidy, straight to the second set with ye... That Cassidy>UJB>Cassidy >> from 94 or so confirmed my suspicion that Cassidy belonged in the second >> set...
>> Long Long Long Long Long Long Way to Go Home: straight to the sound >> check for you... And no further...-
>Music Never Stopped to second set pre drums, Round and Round/Johnny B. >Goode to middle of the first set (if then).
Women Are Smarter: first setter all the way. Let It Grow to second set.
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:55:21 -0500, bzl...@aaool.com wrote: >On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:15:27 -0800 (PST), "3jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> >wrote:
>>> Cassidy, straight to the second set with ye... That Cassidy>UJB>Cassidy >>> from 94 or so confirmed my suspicion that Cassidy belonged in the second >>> set...
>>> Long Long Long Long Long Long Way to Go Home: straight to the sound >>> check for you... And no further...-
>>Music Never Stopped to second set pre drums, Round and Round/Johnny B. >>Goode to middle of the first set (if then).
>Women Are Smarter: first setter all the way. Let It Grow to second >set.
I always enjoyed a second set Let It Grow - caught a few over the years, they were always fun.
Show-opening Playin's were a lot of fun, as well as first set closing China->Riders.
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:56:35 -0800 (PST), Lfh <onetaste2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Nov 6, 10:54 am, James Pablos <james.pab...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Was this a bathroom break song for you? A favorite?
>> In my own experience, it sometimes sucked the life out of a second >> set. 7/16/90 is a good example of this. They start out fiery with >> Sugar Magnolia -> Scarlet -> Rape the Women of Sparta, and then >> immediately pull down the energy with Ship. That song is a real bummer >> there.
>This "oh, it pulled the energy right out of the set" theme is >something I never got. One of the best things I loved about the Dead >is the variation of moods and tempos and such. It's something they >understood way better than most bands did.
Which doesn't mean they always did it right. There were shows where the set list just didn't flow right. And then there was Weir killing the jam...
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