I got that when it came out for $3.99 it was supposed to be $7.99 and the store as a deal decided to knock it down $2. whoever started marking it down must have gotten sidetracked and someone else was told to complete the job of marking it down $2. because on the rack it was $3.99 a level below was $5.99 and the bottom rack was still $7.99. ahh 3 record sets, those were the days.
I would have placed this album at a much higher rank, in the top 30. But if you read the whole list, where is my (and most likely yours, too) favorite GD live album, "LIVE/DEAD"? It is not on this list.It would be in the top 20. So much for lists ...
Thats the album that got me 'on the bus'. I saw them a few months later at Long Beach (Dec '72) and have never looked back. The China --> Rider was the real deal.
> Thats the album that got me 'on the bus'. > I saw them a few months later at Long Beach (Dec '72) and have never looked > back. > The China --> Rider was the real deal.
Me too, although I didn't get a chance to see my first show until 6/11/76.
Edwin -- If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies. -Moshe Dayan
>And # 3 is "It's Too Late To Stop Now" by Van "The Man" Morrison!!!!
>TOG
These lists are always silly, and Too Late should certainly be in the top 10 imo. But the most ridiculous thing is that the ABB Live at the Fillmore East, which should be a contender for #1, is nowhere to be found. Also MIA are Band of Gypsies, Live/Dead, Rock of Ages, Last Waltz, Miles of Aisles, Waiting for Columbus, Woodstock, Happy Trails, and Running on Empty.
>>And # 3 is "It's Too Late To Stop Now" by Van "The Man" Morrison!!!!
>>TOG
> These lists are always silly, and Too Late should certainly be in the > top 10 imo. But the most ridiculous thing is that the ABB Live at the > Fillmore East, which should be a contender for #1, is nowhere to be > found. Also MIA are Band of Gypsies, Live/Dead, Rock of Ages, Last > Waltz, Miles of Aisles, Waiting for Columbus, Woodstock, Happy Trails, > and Running on Empty.
> JimK
it was a pretty horrendous list E 72 was the best record on the list.
>I don't know about that but the transition has always been and will >always be my favorite, they nailed that one.
I like the Jerry solos in IKYR on this version. They're unlike the usual versions, which pretty much follow along the vocal melody. The solos here are a little more unpredictable and creative. Then again, they're actually studio overdubs and not the original solos done live at the show. -- ~ Seth Jackson
>>I don't know about that but the transition has always been and will >>always be my favorite, they nailed that one.
> I like the Jerry solos in IKYR on this version. They're unlike the > usual versions, which pretty much follow along the vocal melody. The > solos here are a little more unpredictable and creative. Then again, > they're actually studio overdubs and not the original solos done live > at the show. > -- > ~ Seth Jackson
In article <4af54bf5$0$990$ba4ac...@news.orange.fr>, Kirk McElhearn <kir...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2009-11-07 01:42:04 +0100, "3jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> said:
> >> the china-cat-Rider is the best version ever
> > I don't know about that but the transition has always been and will > > always be my favorite, they nailed that one.
> Seconded, thirded, or whatever. And the Morning Dew is no sloucher either.
> Kirk
They did nail that transition, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was edited/overdubbed to achieve that perfection. Pretty much most of the vocals and a good bit of the guitar (Merl Saunders played pretty much all the organ that you hear) were all done in the Bay Area. So, it is a live album in a sense, but not in a very pure one. How they did the overdubs was a breakthrough in the overdubbing process, though.
Edwin -- If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies. -Moshe Dayan
> >>> the china-cat-Rider is the best version ever
> >>I don't know about that but the transition has always been and will > >>always be my favorite, they nailed that one.
> > I like the Jerry solos in IKYR on this version. They're unlike the > > usual versions, which pretty much follow along the vocal melody. The > > solos here are a little more unpredictable and creative. Then again, > > they're actually studio overdubs and not the original solos done live > > at the show. > > -- > > ~ Seth Jackson
Anyone have the actual China-Rider from Paris 5/3/72? The most common sources of the Paris 72 shows are from the Gans "honeymoon" stash circa 1994, which have the songs from Europe 72 removed and replaced by the album versions. The shows also circulated before then, though.
> In article <4af54bf5$0$990$ba4ac...@news.orange.fr>, > Kirk McElhearn <kir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2009-11-07 01:42:04 +0100, "3jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> said:
>> >> the china-cat-Rider is the best version ever
>> > I don't know about that but the transition has always been and will >> > always be my favorite, they nailed that one.
>> Seconded, thirded, or whatever. And the Morning Dew is no sloucher >> either.
>> Kirk
> They did nail that transition, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was > edited/overdubbed to achieve that perfection. Pretty much most of the > vocals and a good bit of the guitar (Merl Saunders played pretty much > all the organ that you hear) were all done in the Bay Area. So, it is a > live album in a sense, but not in a very pure one. How they did the > overdubs was a breakthrough in the overdubbing process, though.
> Edwin
studio overdubbing was rather common back then.. Leslie West says the Woodstock II Mountain songs were reworked.
>>> On 2009-11-07 01:42:04 +0100, "3jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> said:
>>> >> the china-cat-Rider is the best version ever
>>> > I don't know about that but the transition has always been and will >>> > always be my favorite, they nailed that one.
>>> Seconded, thirded, or whatever. And the Morning Dew is no sloucher >>> either.
>>> Kirk
>> They did nail that transition, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was >> edited/overdubbed to achieve that perfection. Pretty much most of the >> vocals and a good bit of the guitar (Merl Saunders played pretty much >> all the organ that you hear) were all done in the Bay Area. So, it is a >> live album in a sense, but not in a very pure one. How they did the >> overdubs was a breakthrough in the overdubbing process, though.
>> Edwin
> studio overdubbing was rather common back then.. >Leslie West says the Woodstock II Mountain songs were reworked.
Pay attention. Edwin didn't say that the Dead's use of overdubbing was a breakthrough, he siad the process used was the breakthrough. When the Dead did the studio overdubs for Europe '72 they recorded them in a SF warehouse using the same equipment, mikes, and taping system used on the tour to make it sound realistic. Sort of like how they recorded In The Dark.
> >>> On 2009-11-07 01:42:04 +0100, "3jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> said:
> >>> >> the china-cat-Rider is the best version ever
> >>> > I don't know about that but the transition has always been and will > >>> > always be my favorite, they nailed that one.
> >>> Seconded, thirded, or whatever. And the Morning Dew is no sloucher > >>> either.
> >>> Kirk
> >> They did nail that transition, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was > >> edited/overdubbed to achieve that perfection. Pretty much most of the > >> vocals and a good bit of the guitar (Merl Saunders played pretty much > >> all the organ that you hear) were all done in the Bay Area. So, it is a > >> live album in a sense, but not in a very pure one. How they did the > >> overdubs was a breakthrough in the overdubbing process, though.
> >> Edwin
> > studio overdubbing was rather common back then.. > >Leslie West says the Woodstock II Mountain songs were reworked.
> Pay attention. Edwin didn't say that the Dead's use of overdubbing was > a breakthrough, he siad the process used was the breakthrough. When > the Dead did the studio overdubs for Europe '72 they recorded them in > a SF warehouse using the same equipment, mikes, and taping system used > on the tour to make it sound realistic. Sort of like how they recorded > In The Dark.
> JimK
Jim is right. What they did was to run the tracks back through the PA and guitar amps and sing through monitors so that the leakage would match the tracks that were live. They wanted to avoid the obviousness of mixing pristine ship in the bottle vocals with the rowboat tossed in the waves live tracks. It worked pretty well as they had me fooled for quite some time.
Edwin -- If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies. -Moshe Dayan
>>>> On 2009-11-07 01:42:04 +0100, "3jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> said:
>>>> >> the china-cat-Rider is the best version ever
>>>> > I don't know about that but the transition has always been and will >>>> > always be my favorite, they nailed that one.
>>>> Seconded, thirded, or whatever. And the Morning Dew is no sloucher >>>> either.
>>>> Kirk
>>> They did nail that transition, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was >>> edited/overdubbed to achieve that perfection. Pretty much most of the >>> vocals and a good bit of the guitar (Merl Saunders played pretty much >>> all the organ that you hear) were all done in the Bay Area. So, it is a >>> live album in a sense, but not in a very pure one. How they did the >>> overdubs was a breakthrough in the overdubbing process, though.
>>> Edwin
>> studio overdubbing was rather common back then.. >>Leslie West says the Woodstock II Mountain songs were reworked.
> Pay attention. Edwin didn't say that the Dead's use of overdubbing was > a breakthrough, he siad the process used was the breakthrough. When > the Dead did the studio overdubs for Europe '72 they recorded them in > a SF warehouse using the same equipment, mikes, and taping system used > on the tour to make it sound realistic. Sort of like how they recorded > In The Dark.
> JimK
I didn't say you did nor did I dispute anything you said. I just elaborated on a point you raised because you didn't make the point it was a common thing. sorry if your ego was hurt.
> >>>> On 2009-11-07 01:42:04 +0100, "3jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> said:
> >>>> >> the china-cat-Rider is the best version ever
> >>>> > I don't know about that but the transition has always been and will > >>>> > always be my favorite, they nailed that one.
> >>>> Seconded, thirded, or whatever. And the Morning Dew is no sloucher > >>>> either.
> >>>> Kirk
> >>> They did nail that transition, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was > >>> edited/overdubbed to achieve that perfection. Pretty much most of the > >>> vocals and a good bit of the guitar (Merl Saunders played pretty much > >>> all the organ that you hear) were all done in the Bay Area. So, it is a > >>> live album in a sense, but not in a very pure one. How they did the > >>> overdubs was a breakthrough in the overdubbing process, though.
> >>> Edwin
> >> studio overdubbing was rather common back then.. > >>Leslie West says the Woodstock II Mountain songs were reworked.
> > Pay attention. Edwin didn't say that the Dead's use of overdubbing was > > a breakthrough, he siad the process used was the breakthrough. When > > the Dead did the studio overdubs for Europe '72 they recorded them in > > a SF warehouse using the same equipment, mikes, and taping system used > > on the tour to make it sound realistic. Sort of like how they recorded > > In The Dark.
> > JimK
> I didn't say you did nor did I dispute anything you said. > I just elaborated on a point you raised because you didn't make the point it > was a common thing. > sorry if your ego was hurt.
Ray Ray met and shook hands with his ego in1972. Right after he had brunch with Connie Hines, Wilbur Posts's wife on Mr. Ed.
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