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Mr. Mike  
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 More options Nov 6, 10:53 pm
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From: Mr. Mike <m...@spamcop.net>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:53:26 -0800
Local: Fri, Nov 6 2009 10:53 pm
Subject: More Shostakovich 13th Questions
ARTIST / COMPOSER Kirill Kondrashin: Shostakovich
TITLE:  Symphony No.13 for Bass Solo, Male Bass Choir and Orchestra in
B flat minor, op.113
COUNTRY / YEAR:  Russia, 1997
LABEL / CAT.No.:  Moscow Conservatory, SMC 0018
TRACKS: Moscow Philharmonic Symphony Orchestra, Kirill Kondrashin
conductor
V.Gromadsky bass
Bass Group of YURLOV Capella
Total time: 56.10

Which version of the piece is this -- the recording from the second
performance (1962) or the third (1965)?

Some of the details are of little use. A friend who is a major
Shostakovich fan e-mails me:

According to Derek Hulme in his Shostakovich catalogue, Aleksandr
Yurlov was the chorus master of the RSFSR Academic Russian Choir which
is the one singing on the Everest LP. [But "Yurlov" is also mentioned
on the back cover from the second performance:
http://www3.telus.net/~mjq/misc/009.jpg.]

The time is also of not much help, because both the second and third
performances by Kondrashin are very close to this time.

By the way, in their DS overview a while back, American Record Guide
says the Kondrashin performance with John Shirley-Quirk should be
avoided at all costs ... is there anything seriously wrong with this?
(I actually own this performance, but I only listened to it once a
long time ago.)


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Sava Savanovic  
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 More options Nov 7, 3:21 am
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From: Sava Savanovic <mrso...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:21:10 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 3:21 am
Subject: Re: More Shostakovich 13th Questions
On Nov 6, 3:53 pm, Mr. Mike <m...@spamcop.net> wrote:

> ARTIST / COMPOSER Kirill Kondrashin: Shostakovich
> TITLE:  Symphony No.13 for Bass Solo, Male Bass Choir and Orchestra in
> B flat minor, op.113
> COUNTRY / YEAR:  Russia, 1997
> LABEL / CAT.No.:  Moscow Conservatory, SMC 0018
> TRACKS: Moscow Philharmonic Symphony Orchestra, Kirill Kondrashin
> conductor
> V.Gromadsky bass
> Bass Group of YURLOV Capella
> Total time: 56.10

> Which version of the piece is this -- the recording from the second
> performance (1962) or the third (1965)?

I have that disc, and it doesn't give any date whatsoever. The one
thing I can tell you is that they use revised text.

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Mr. Mike  
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 More options Nov 7, 9:09 am
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From: Mr. Mike <m...@spamcop.net>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:09:42 -0800
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 9:09 am
Subject: Re: More Shostakovich 13th Questions
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:35:27 +0100, EM <emmemmmemnmme...@gnail.com>
wrote:

>> Total time: 56.10

>> Which version of the piece is this -- the recording from the second
>> performance (1962) or the third (1965)?

>The total time of the December 1962 performance on Russian disc is
>56'35''.

This is true, but you are assuming that these two recordings are
EXACTLY the same.

On the Russian disc recording, there is applause at the end of the
piece which could possibly have been trimmed to bring it down to
56:10.

My own dub from the Everest LPs is 56:31.


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 More options Nov 7, 9:10 am
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From: Mr. Mike <m...@spamcop.net>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:10:35 -0800
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 9:10 am
Subject: Re: More Shostakovich 13th Questions
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:21:10 -0800 (PST), Sava Savanovic

<mrso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Which version of the piece is this -- the recording from the second
>> performance (1962) or the third (1965)?

>I have that disc, and it doesn't give any date whatsoever. The one
>thing I can tell you is that they use revised text.

Then it must be the same as the Everest recording (1965).

Is it in stereo?


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 More options Nov 7, 9:12 am
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From: SG <sgg...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:12:31 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 9:12 am
Subject: Re: More Shostakovich 13th Questions

You offered some download of this, right? Is it still there?

If so,I guess the easiest thing would be for somebody who has the
Russian Disc (e.g., me) to compare the two.

regards,
SG


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 More options Nov 7, 12:01 pm
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From: Mr. Mike <m...@spamcop.net>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:01:16 -0800
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 12:01 pm
Subject: Re: More Shostakovich 13th Questions

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:12:31 -0800 (PST), SG <sgg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>You offered some download of this, right? Is it still there?

http://www.mediafire.com/file/yezzc1vyzgz/Shostakovich13-Kondrashin-1...
http://www.mediafire.com/file/jzmttyo02mt/Shostakovich13-Kondrashin-2...

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Sava Savanovic  
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 More options Nov 7, 5:31 pm
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From: Sava Savanovic <mrso...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 01:31:32 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 5:31 pm
Subject: Re: More Shostakovich 13th Questions
On Nov 7, 5:01 am, Mr. Mike <m...@spamcop.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:12:31 -0800 (PST), SG <sgg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>You offered some download of this, right? Is it still there?

> http://www.mediafire.com/file/yezzc1vyzgz/Shostakovich13-Kondrashin-1......

These clips come from which release?

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 More options Nov 7, 6:09 pm
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From: SG <sgg...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 02:09:34 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 6:09 pm
Subject: Re: More Shostakovich 13th Questions

I've downloaded and compared carefully the offered files with the
Russian Disc content - there is no doubt that it is one and the same
version. No need for computer analysis, just for listening. ( :

The Russian Disc source seems to be better, the Everest (offered by
Mr. Mike slightly nosier and more distant) but everything else is
identical.

By the way, this Kondrashin connoisseur kind of doubts there are
indeed four (as opposed to three, including the Philips LP) versions
of Babi Yar.

The collective intelligence of rmcr contributors seems to have
confirmed the doubts. Now I am convinced there is only one version
Kondrashin/Gromadsky.

regards,
SG


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 More options Nov 7, 6:10 pm
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From: SG <sgg...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 02:10:59 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: More Shostakovich 13th Questions

Forgot to include the link:

By the way, this Kondrashin connoisseur

http://patachonf.free.fr/musique/kondrachine/discographie.php?p=c#Cho...

kind of doubts there are indeed four (as opposed to three, including
the Philips LP) versions
of Babi Yar.

etc.


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Sava Savanovic  
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 More options Nov 7, 7:34 pm
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From: Sava Savanovic <mrso...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 03:34:13 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 7:34 pm
Subject: Re: More Shostakovich 13th Questions
On Nov 7, 11:10 am, SG <sgg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Forgot to include the link:

> By the way, this Kondrashin connoisseur

> http://patachonf.free.fr/musique/kondrachine/discographie.php?p=c#Cho...

> kind of doubts there are indeed four (as opposed to three, including
> the Philips LP) versions
> of Babi Yar.

> etc.

Well, I've compared files offered by Mr.Mike and my Moscow
Conservatory SMC 0018 disc, and the performances are identical, don't
have to go very far - same coughing at 0:16 and then again at 0:26.
Moscow Conservatory disc is more aggressively de-noised and maybe even
slightly sharp (could explain trifle shorter playing time) but it's
definitely the same performance.

So I'm also inclined to think there is only one Gromadsky/Kondrashin
recording. Probably right after the premiere using censored/altered
text of first poem. Same altered text uses Kondrashin in his 1967
studio recording and no one else. By the time of Rozhdestvensky
recording it seems using original text was no longer a problem.


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Mr. Mike  
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 More options Nov 9, 6:07 am
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From: Mr. Mike <m...@spamcop.net>
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:07:42 -0800
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 6:07 am
Subject: Re: More Shostakovich 13th Questions
On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 01:31:32 -0800 (PST), Sava Savanovic

<mrso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>These clips come from which release?

The Everest recording.

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