Has anyone heard the Mahler that Bernstein put down in the 1970s on DVD? How does the sound compare to the CBS and the later DG cycles, and perhaps more importantly, how do the performances compare?
As someone who is increasingly becoming more and more addicted to DVD music (rock, jazz and classical). In fact purchased Talking Heads' Stop Making Sense a few days ago and was wowed by the whole thing, and found the preformances much more exciting than their CD efforts.
I make even be more attracted to Opry if this fad continues. One never knows.
On Saturday, November 7, 2009, Taree Dawg wrote: > Has anyone heard the Mahler that Bernstein put down in the 1970s on DVD? > How does the sound compare to the CBS and the later DG cycles, and > perhaps more importantly, how do the performances compare?
I haven't compared any of them systematically. (I have all 3 cycles.) I will say that the DVD Mahler 8 is the best of Bernstein's recordings of this symphony.
On Nov 7, 8:18 am, Matthew Silverstein <msilverz-l...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Saturday, November 7, 2009, Taree Dawg wrote: > > Has anyone heard the Mahler that Bernstein put down in the 1970s on DVD? > > How does the sound compare to the CBS and the later DG cycles, and > > perhaps more importantly, how do the performances compare?
> I haven't compared any of them systematically. (I have all 3 cycles.) I > will say that the DVD Mahler 8 is the best of Bernstein's recordings of > this symphony.
> Matty
How would you compare this recording and the one included in the CD cycle released by DG?
In article <7s7Jm.52804$ze1.11...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, Taree Dawg says...
>Has anyone heard the Mahler that Bernstein put down in the 1970s on DVD? >How does the sound compare to the CBS and the later DG cycles, and >perhaps more importantly, how do the performances compare?
I've not compared them qua sound, and in one case - #2 - it's the same performance (or at least up to a point) as the second of his CBS audio releases. As one might expect from when they were done, as interpretations they're somewhere in between the two audio sets; at any rate, well worth watching (especially the rehearsal disc).
>As someone who is increasingly becoming more and more addicted to DVD >music (rock, jazz and classical). In fact purchased Talking Heads' Stop >Making Sense a few days ago and was wowed by the whole thing, and found >the preformances much more exciting than their CD efforts.
>I make even be more attracted to Opry if this fad continues. One never >knows.
Is there an Australian equivalent of Netflix (cheap mail order DVD/blu-ray rentals)? Netflix has a surprising range of classical music available (rather more than their inept search engine suggests), so one can readily sample before buying.
> In article <7s7Jm.52804$ze1.11...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, Taree Dawg > says...
>>Has anyone heard the Mahler that Bernstein put down in the 1970s on DVD? >>How does the sound compare to the CBS and the later DG cycles, and >>perhaps more importantly, how do the performances compare?
> I've not compared them qua sound, and in one case - #2 - it's the same > performance (or at least up to a point) as the second of his CBS audio > releases. > As one might expect from when they were done, as interpretations they're > somewhere in between the two audio sets; at any rate, well worth watching > (especially the rehearsal disc).
>>As someone who is increasingly becoming more and more addicted to DVD >>music (rock, jazz and classical). In fact purchased Talking Heads' Stop >>Making Sense a few days ago and was wowed by the whole thing, and found >>the preformances much more exciting than their CD efforts.
>>I make even be more attracted to Opry if this fad continues. One never >>knows.
> Is there an Australian equivalent of Netflix (cheap mail order DVD/blu-ray > rentals)? Netflix has a surprising range of classical music available > (rather > more than their inept search engine suggests), so one can readily sample > before > buying.
How can one be made aware of Netflix's available range of CM other than by use of its "inept" search engine? I thought there search engine to be pretty good, nearly revealing everything within a mile of the searched suject.
> On Nov 7, 8:18 am, Matthew Silverstein <msilverz-l...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote: >> I haven't compared any of them systematically. (I have all 3 cycles.) >> I will say that the DVD Mahler 8 is the best of Bernstein's >> recordings of this symphony.
> How would you compare this recording and the one included in the CD > cycle released by DG?
IIRC: Less technically secure, perhaps, but a more inspiring performance. (The CD is from Salzburg, the video from Vienna.)
>"Simon Roberts" <s...@comcast.net> wrote in message >news:hd3uko0rlp@drn.newsguy.com... >> In article <7s7Jm.52804$ze1.11...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, Taree Dawg >> says...
>>>Has anyone heard the Mahler that Bernstein put down in the 1970s on DVD? >>>How does the sound compare to the CBS and the later DG cycles, and >>>perhaps more importantly, how do the performances compare?
>> I've not compared them qua sound, and in one case - #2 - it's the same >> performance (or at least up to a point) as the second of his CBS audio >> releases. >> As one might expect from when they were done, as interpretations they're >> somewhere in between the two audio sets; at any rate, well worth watching >> (especially the rehearsal disc).
>>>As someone who is increasingly becoming more and more addicted to DVD >>>music (rock, jazz and classical). In fact purchased Talking Heads' Stop >>>Making Sense a few days ago and was wowed by the whole thing, and found >>>the preformances much more exciting than their CD efforts.
>>>I make even be more attracted to Opry if this fad continues. One never >>>knows.
>> Is there an Australian equivalent of Netflix (cheap mail order DVD/blu-ray >> rentals)? Netflix has a surprising range of classical music available >> (rather >> more than their inept search engine suggests), so one can readily sample >> before >> buying.
>How can one be made aware of Netflix's available range of CM other than by >use of its "inept" search engine? I thought there search engine to be pretty >good, nearly revealing everything within a mile of the searched suject.
By luck, often. For instance, if you conjure up what purports to be their complete classical listing, some discs they have won't be listed. You need to know independently what's available and look for specific discs one at a time; and even then you may not find them because of the odd ways they catalogue items. I've run across several discs entirely by accident: when you look for more information on disc A, they'll suggest another dozen or so discs which may include something you otherwise had no idea was in their catalogue.
On Saturday, November 7, 2009, M forever wrote: >> I haven't compared any of them systematically. (I have all 3 cycles.) I >> will say that the DVD Mahler 8 is the best of Bernstein's recordings of >> this symphony.
>> Matty
> How would you compare this recording and the one included in the CD > cycle released by DG?
They were recorded at about the same time (the DVD in Vienna, the CD in Salzburg). They capture roughly the same conception of the piece, with many (or all?) of the same performers. The DVD performance (recorded in Vienna) features better execution, though, and I think it hangs together better overall.
In article <1e526s5ob7fdl$.1i7uo5s523ih....@40tude.net>, Matthew Silverstein says...
>On Saturday, November 7, 2009, M forever wrote:
>>> I haven't compared any of them systematically. (I have all 3 cycles.) I >>> will say that the DVD Mahler 8 is the best of Bernstein's recordings of >>> this symphony.
>>> Matty
>> How would you compare this recording and the one included in the CD >> cycle released by DG?
>They were recorded at about the same time (the DVD in Vienna, the CD in >Salzburg). They capture roughly the same conception of the piece, with many >(or all?) of the same performers.
Some of the soloists are different (e.g. the CDs have Margaret Price).
> In article <4af58576$0$22518$607ed...@cv.net>, Norman Schwartz says...
> >"Simon Roberts" <s...@comcast.net> wrote in message > >news:hd3uko0rlp@drn.newsguy.com... > >> In article <7s7Jm.52804$ze1.11...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, Taree Dawg > >> says...
> >>>Has anyone heard the Mahler that Bernstein put down in the 1970s on DVD? > >>>How does the sound compare to the CBS and the later DG cycles, and > >>>perhaps more importantly, how do the performances compare?
> >> I've not compared them qua sound, and in one case - #2 - it's the same > >> performance (or at least up to a point) as the second of his CBS audio > >> releases. > >> As one might expect from when they were done, as interpretations they're > >> somewhere in between the two audio sets; at any rate, well worth watching > >> (especially the rehearsal disc).
> >>>As someone who is increasingly becoming more and more addicted to DVD > >>>music (rock, jazz and classical). In fact purchased Talking Heads' Stop > >>>Making Sense a few days ago and was wowed by the whole thing, and found > >>>the preformances much more exciting than their CD efforts.
> >>>I make even be more attracted to Opry if this fad continues. One never > >>>knows.
> >> Is there an Australian equivalent of Netflix (cheap mail order DVD/blu-ray > >> rentals)? Netflix has a surprising range of classical music available > >> (rather > >> more than their inept search engine suggests), so one can readily sample > >> before > >> buying.
> >How can one be made aware of Netflix's available range of CM other than by > >use of its "inept" search engine? I thought there search engine to be pretty > >good, nearly revealing everything within a mile of the searched suject.
> By luck, often. For instance, if you conjure up what purports to be their > complete classical listing, some discs they have won't be listed. You need to > know independently what's available and look for specific discs one at a time; > and even then you may not find them because of the odd ways they catalogue > items. I've run across several discs entirely by accident: when you look for > more information on disc A, they'll suggest another dozen or so discs which may > include something you otherwise had no idea was in their catalogue.
I only signed up for netflix this week, so I don't have much experience with it yet, but I wonder if they actually have everything in the catalog. A few things I put in the queue are not actually available or only after "a short wait". Is that because they only have a few copies and they are all out, or are they maybe listing titles they don't have, and only actually get them when enough people request the title?
In article <c484a950-17ba-4601-97ed-8ab98eb06...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, M forever says...
>I only signed up for netflix this week, so I don't have much >experience with it yet, but I wonder if they actually have everything >in the catalog. A few things I put in the queue are not actually >available or only after "a short wait". Is that because they only have >a few copies and they are all out, or are they maybe listing titles >they don't have, and only actually get them when enough people request >the title?
No, the latter is "saved DVDs"; see here for an explanation of that:
Provided it's in your queue, they have it; the length of wait they suggest seems to be based on how many copies they have and how long they've been with customers. I seldom have to wait long (sometimes a disc listed as "long wait" has showed up a couple of days later), and usually what I want is available now.
<raymond.ha...@bigpond.com> wrote: >Has anyone heard the Mahler that Bernstein put down in the 1970s on DVD? >How does the sound compare to the CBS and the later DG cycles, and >perhaps more importantly, how do the performances compare?
In addition to the DVD box set, I own laser discs of a few of these performances, though my laser disc player has only analog, not digital sound.
The DVDs have two audio tracks -- PCM stereo which defaults to Pro Logic on my amp (with some stereo ambience), and DTS 5.1.
According to the booklet, DGG used some technique called AMSI II (Ambient Surround Imaging) which "is a technology -- developed by Emil Berliner Studios -- which converts the original stereophonic audio into authentic 5.1 surround sound."
Presumably they are talking about the DTS tracks here. I find the sound of the DTS tracks with the surround on to be kind of phony.
I can get closer to the more acceptable laser disc sound by turning the surround on the amp off for both the PCM and DTS...
I realize this doesn't answer your question about performance!
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