> On Nov 3, 5:18 pm, Terry <b...@clown.invalid> wrote:
> > On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:08:49 +1100, Taree Dawg wrote > > (in article <RgMHm.51734$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
> > > Gerard wrote: > > >> td wrote: > > >>> On Nov 2, 5:01 am, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> Taree Dawg wrote: > > >>>>> Gerard wrote: > > >>>>>> Taree Dawg wrote: > > >>>>>>> I still regard Berglund's Bournemouth set as one of the very > > >>>>>>> best, for the whole cycle. Excellent EMI sound, and obtained > > >>>>>>> on Brill Classics. > > >>>>>> Probably you mean Royal Classics. > > >>>>> Correct. > > >>>>> Btw, the rest of the orchestral works, including the Kullervo, > > >>>>> done by Berglund/Bournemouth, are on a couple of well filled, and > > >>>>> excellent EMI Classics (Gemini) twofers. I don't know why the > > >>>>> symphonies haven't appeared on this series though. Strangely, I > > >>>>> have never come across the first two Legends by Berglund. Maybe > > >>>>> he didn't rate them. > > >>>> I've never seen the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies > > >>>> (Kullervo excepted, on a EMI forte twofer, in which series the > > >>>> Helsinki recordings of the symphonies have been issued, as in an > > >>>> EMI boxed set). > > >>>> The label Royal Classics, being a product made in the Netherlands, > > >>>> never has been available in the Netherlands - with a few exceptions > > >>>> concerning an irregular availability. > > >>>> I suppose the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies are OOP > > >>>> since long now. > > >>> Well, I bought my set a long time ago, Gerard, and snapped it up as > > >>> soon as it was made available, as I prefer it to the Helsinki > > >>> recordings.
> > >>> Perhaps if you hunt on the various Amazons you will luck out. Hope so.
> > >>> I still have my LPs, by the way, and those should really be fairly > > >>> easy to find.
> > >>> TD
> > >> I'm not looking for a new Sibelius set actually (there IS a new one by Colin > > >> Davis, on LSO Live, and I should say "no, it's enough"), but if that > > >> Bournemouth > > >> set crosses my path somewhere sometime, I will think about snapping it, > > >> getting > > >> soooo tired of all those recommendations by Ray Hall during al those years > > >> ;)
> > > The EMI box is seen on this link. Well worth it at 17pounds, containing > > > the symphonies and the tone poems. Amazon say there is more coming too.
> > In my opinion, the Colin Davis set on RCA, also involving the London Symphony > > Orchestra, is far superior in all respects to those he made in Boston and in > > the Barbican. In fact, I find it now the most recommendable complete set, if > > that's what anyone wants.
> In regards to the 5th and FWIW (which probably isn't very much) a few > years ago, I did an extensive comparison of this work between all of > my recordings (which are numerous but does not include Collins). I > was expecting to find a *winner* -someone that I could put above the > others, but I could not. They all had they differing merits.
> Dil.
I should of added that my survey did include Gibson (on vinyl -as part of the Great Men of Music, Time-Life series that I own) and I have since acquired the Collins, but my decision remains the same -no winner.
> On Nov 4, 7:04 pm, Dil <grobberst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 5:18 pm, Terry <b...@clown.invalid> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:08:49 +1100, Taree Dawg wrote > > > (in article <RgMHm.51734$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
> > > > Gerard wrote: > > > >> td wrote: > > > >>> On Nov 2, 5:01 am, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>> Taree Dawg wrote: > > > >>>>> Gerard wrote: > > > >>>>>> Taree Dawg wrote: > > > >>>>>>> I still regard Berglund's Bournemouth set as one of the very > > > >>>>>>> best, for the whole cycle. Excellent EMI sound, and obtained > > > >>>>>>> on Brill Classics. > > > >>>>>> Probably you mean Royal Classics. > > > >>>>> Correct. > > > >>>>> Btw, the rest of the orchestral works, including the Kullervo, > > > >>>>> done by Berglund/Bournemouth, are on a couple of well filled, and > > > >>>>> excellent EMI Classics (Gemini) twofers. I don't know why the > > > >>>>> symphonies haven't appeared on this series though. Strangely, I > > > >>>>> have never come across the first two Legends by Berglund. Maybe > > > >>>>> he didn't rate them. > > > >>>> I've never seen the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies > > > >>>> (Kullervo excepted, on a EMI forte twofer, in which series the > > > >>>> Helsinki recordings of the symphonies have been issued, as in an > > > >>>> EMI boxed set). > > > >>>> The label Royal Classics, being a product made in the Netherlands, > > > >>>> never has been available in the Netherlands - with a few exceptions > > > >>>> concerning an irregular availability. > > > >>>> I suppose the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies are OOP > > > >>>> since long now. > > > >>> Well, I bought my set a long time ago, Gerard, and snapped it up as > > > >>> soon as it was made available, as I prefer it to the Helsinki > > > >>> recordings.
> > > >>> Perhaps if you hunt on the various Amazons you will luck out. Hope so.
> > > >>> I still have my LPs, by the way, and those should really be fairly > > > >>> easy to find.
> > > >>> TD
> > > >> I'm not looking for a new Sibelius set actually (there IS a new one by Colin > > > >> Davis, on LSO Live, and I should say "no, it's enough"), but if that > > > >> Bournemouth > > > >> set crosses my path somewhere sometime, I will think about snapping it, > > > >> getting > > > >> soooo tired of all those recommendations by Ray Hall during al those years > > > >> ;)
> > > > The EMI box is seen on this link. Well worth it at 17pounds, containing > > > > the symphonies and the tone poems. Amazon say there is more coming too.
> > > In my opinion, the Colin Davis set on RCA, also involving the London Symphony > > > Orchestra, is far superior in all respects to those he made in Boston and in > > > the Barbican. In fact, I find it now the most recommendable complete set, if > > > that's what anyone wants.
> > In regards to the 5th and FWIW (which probably isn't very much) a few > > years ago, I did an extensive comparison of this work between all of > > my recordings (which are numerous but does not include Collins). I > > was expecting to find a *winner* -someone that I could put above the > > others, but I could not. They all had they differing merits.
> > Dil.
> I should of added that my survey did include Gibson (on vinyl -as part > of the Great Men of Music, Time-Life series that I own) and I have > since acquired the Collins, but my decision remains the same -no > winner.
> Dil.
Did you also review the second Bernstein recording from Vienna?
> On Nov 4, 8:38 pm, Dil <grobberst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 4, 7:04 pm, Dil <grobberst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 5:18 pm, Terry <b...@clown.invalid> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:08:49 +1100, Taree Dawg wrote > > > > (in article <RgMHm.51734$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
> > > > > Gerard wrote: > > > > >> td wrote: > > > > >>> On Nov 2, 5:01 am, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > >>>> Taree Dawg wrote: > > > > >>>>> Gerard wrote: > > > > >>>>>> Taree Dawg wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> I still regard Berglund's Bournemouth set as one of the very > > > > >>>>>>> best, for the whole cycle. Excellent EMI sound, and obtained > > > > >>>>>>> on Brill Classics. > > > > >>>>>> Probably you mean Royal Classics. > > > > >>>>> Correct. > > > > >>>>> Btw, the rest of the orchestral works, including the Kullervo, > > > > >>>>> done by Berglund/Bournemouth, are on a couple of well filled, and > > > > >>>>> excellent EMI Classics (Gemini) twofers. I don't know why the > > > > >>>>> symphonies haven't appeared on this series though. Strangely, I > > > > >>>>> have never come across the first two Legends by Berglund. Maybe > > > > >>>>> he didn't rate them. > > > > >>>> I've never seen the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies > > > > >>>> (Kullervo excepted, on a EMI forte twofer, in which series the > > > > >>>> Helsinki recordings of the symphonies have been issued, as in an > > > > >>>> EMI boxed set). > > > > >>>> The label Royal Classics, being a product made in the Netherlands, > > > > >>>> never has been available in the Netherlands - with a few exceptions > > > > >>>> concerning an irregular availability. > > > > >>>> I suppose the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies are OOP > > > > >>>> since long now. > > > > >>> Well, I bought my set a long time ago, Gerard, and snapped it up as > > > > >>> soon as it was made available, as I prefer it to the Helsinki > > > > >>> recordings.
> > > > >>> Perhaps if you hunt on the various Amazons you will luck out. Hope so.
> > > > >>> I still have my LPs, by the way, and those should really be fairly > > > > >>> easy to find.
> > > > >>> TD
> > > > >> I'm not looking for a new Sibelius set actually (there IS a new one by Colin > > > > >> Davis, on LSO Live, and I should say "no, it's enough"), but if that > > > > >> Bournemouth > > > > >> set crosses my path somewhere sometime, I will think about snapping it, > > > > >> getting > > > > >> soooo tired of all those recommendations by Ray Hall during al those years > > > > >> ;)
> > > > > The EMI box is seen on this link. Well worth it at 17pounds, containing > > > > > the symphonies and the tone poems. Amazon say there is more coming too.
> > > > In my opinion, the Colin Davis set on RCA, also involving the London Symphony > > > > Orchestra, is far superior in all respects to those he made in Boston and in > > > > the Barbican. In fact, I find it now the most recommendable complete set, if > > > > that's what anyone wants.
> > > In regards to the 5th and FWIW (which probably isn't very much) a few > > > years ago, I did an extensive comparison of this work between all of > > > my recordings (which are numerous but does not include Collins). I > > > was expecting to find a *winner* -someone that I could put above the > > > others, but I could not. They all had they differing merits.
> > > Dil.
> > I should of added that my survey did include Gibson (on vinyl -as part > > of the Great Men of Music, Time-Life series that I own) and I have > > since acquired the Collins, but my decision remains the same -no > > winner.
> > Dil.
> Did you also review the second Bernstein recording from Vienna?
Dil wrote: > On Nov 3, 5:18 pm, Terry <b...@clown.invalid> wrote: >> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:08:49 +1100, Taree Dawg wrote >> (in article <RgMHm.51734$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
>>> Gerard wrote: >>>> td wrote: >>>>> On Nov 2, 5:01 am, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Taree Dawg wrote: >>>>>>> Gerard wrote: >>>>>>>> Taree Dawg wrote: >>>>>>>>> I still regard Berglund's Bournemouth set as one of the very >>>>>>>>> best, for the whole cycle. Excellent EMI sound, and obtained >>>>>>>>> on Brill Classics. >>>>>>>> Probably you mean Royal Classics. >>>>>>> Correct. >>>>>>> Btw, the rest of the orchestral works, including the Kullervo, >>>>>>> done by Berglund/Bournemouth, are on a couple of well filled, >>>>>>> and excellent EMI Classics (Gemini) twofers. I don't know why >>>>>>> the symphonies haven't appeared on this series though. >>>>>>> Strangely, I have never come across the first two Legends by >>>>>>> Berglund. Maybe he didn't rate them. >>>>>> I've never seen the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies >>>>>> (Kullervo excepted, on a EMI forte twofer, in which series the >>>>>> Helsinki recordings of the symphonies have been issued, as in an >>>>>> EMI boxed set). >>>>>> The label Royal Classics, being a product made in the >>>>>> Netherlands, never has been available in the Netherlands - with >>>>>> a few exceptions concerning an irregular availability. >>>>>> I suppose the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies are OOP >>>>>> since long now. >>>>> Well, I bought my set a long time ago, Gerard, and snapped it up >>>>> as soon as it was made available, as I prefer it to the Helsinki >>>>> recordings.
>>>>> Perhaps if you hunt on the various Amazons you will luck out. >>>>> Hope so.
>>>>> I still have my LPs, by the way, and those should really be fairly >>>>> easy to find.
>>>>> TD
>>>> I'm not looking for a new Sibelius set actually (there IS a new >>>> one by Colin Davis, on LSO Live, and I should say "no, it's >>>> enough"), but if that Bournemouth >>>> set crosses my path somewhere sometime, I will think about >>>> snapping it, getting >>>> soooo tired of all those recommendations by Ray Hall during al >>>> those years ;)
>>> The EMI box is seen on this link. Well worth it at 17pounds, >>> containing the symphonies and the tone poems. Amazon say there is >>> more coming too.
>> In my opinion, the Colin Davis set on RCA, also involving the London >> Symphony Orchestra, is far superior in all respects to those he made >> in Boston and in the Barbican. In fact, I find it now the most >> recommendable complete set, if that's what anyone wants.
> In regards to the 5th and FWIW (which probably isn't very much) a few > years ago, I did an extensive comparison of this work between all of > my recordings (which are numerous but does not include Collins). I > was expecting to find a *winner* -someone that I could put above the > others, but I could not. They all had they differing merits.
> Dil.
Nobody ever touts Bernstein on DG, but that's the one I imprinted on and it sounds right to me. Not that I don't enjoy others as well. As a learning experience for me, perhaps someone will tell me why I shouldn't like it.
> Gossip of the most malicious kind, as far as his professionalism was > concerned. Alex Gibson's devotion to Famous Grouse (single malt would > have been less lethal) may have contributed to his relatively early > death, alas, but it never in my hearing affected his performance either > on the rostrum or in the pit, as Music Director of Sadlers Wells and > (later) founder of Scottish Opera.
> He remained one of the most regularly effective - and often thrilling - > conductors until his final illness (heart trouble) undermined his > health, and effectiveness. He was a workaholic, more than an alcoholic.
> >> > This also made him a risky proposition for the recording companies.
> It did nothing of the kind! Gibson made hundreds of recordings, mainly > of standard repertoire, but including contemporary works too. His studio > career continued until his death.
Unfortunately, this brings us back to my earlier contribution to this thread, where I remarked (having attended all Gibson's SNO and Scottish Opera performances while I was at Edinburgh University 1971-5) that he was a distressingly uneven conductor, sometimes showing a greatness which the records hardly hint at, but quite often turning in scrappy run-throughs where neither he nor the orchestra seemed to care what happened. And with the recordings tending to take a cautious middle way.
As to whether this stemmed from a "wee drap" too many or from somethng deep down in his psyche (I had always assumed the latter) doesn't affect the fact that going to his concerts was a bit like playing roulette (and the rewards COULD be high). If you were investing, not the price of a ticket but the cost of a recording, this surely amounted to a "risky proposition". His Berlioz could outblaze even Colin Davis's on its day, but the recording manager who booked Davis could be virtually certain of what he was getting.
But enough carping. One thing not pointed out so far is that, however good Gibson's best concert performances were, his best opera performances were better still. Furthermore, his creation, building and nurturing of Scottish Opera over 25 years in the face of Edinburgh's municipal indifference (or even harassment), including putting The Trojan's on the British operatic map in advance of Davis's Covent Garden performances and commissioning at least 4 operas from Scottish composers (the one I saw, Hamilton's The Catiline Conspiracy, was decidedly impressive), was surely a great achievement by any standards.
FWIW, neither his brisk, purposeful walk onto the platform or his precisely studied movements on the rostrum ever suggested drunkenness to my eyes. If he had fortified himself from the hip flask before walking on I can only say he carried it very well.
> On Nov 4, 7:04 pm, Dil <grobberst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 5:18 pm, Terry <b...@clown.invalid> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:08:49 +1100, Taree Dawg wrote > > > (in article <RgMHm.51734$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
> > > > Gerard wrote: > > > >> td wrote: > > > >>> On Nov 2, 5:01 am, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>> Taree Dawg wrote: > > > >>>>> Gerard wrote: > > > >>>>>> Taree Dawg wrote: > > > >>>>>>> I still regard Berglund's Bournemouth set as one of the very > > > >>>>>>> best, for the whole cycle. Excellent EMI sound, and obtained > > > >>>>>>> on Brill Classics. > > > >>>>>> Probably you mean Royal Classics. > > > >>>>> Correct. > > > >>>>> Btw, the rest of the orchestral works, including the Kullervo, > > > >>>>> done by Berglund/Bournemouth, are on a couple of well filled, and > > > >>>>> excellent EMI Classics (Gemini) twofers. I don't know why the > > > >>>>> symphonies haven't appeared on this series though. Strangely, I > > > >>>>> have never come across the first two Legends by Berglund. Maybe > > > >>>>> he didn't rate them. > > > >>>> I've never seen the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies > > > >>>> (Kullervo excepted, on a EMI forte twofer, in which series the > > > >>>> Helsinki recordings of the symphonies have been issued, as in an > > > >>>> EMI boxed set). > > > >>>> The label Royal Classics, being a product made in the Netherlands, > > > >>>> never has been available in the Netherlands - with a few exceptions > > > >>>> concerning an irregular availability. > > > >>>> I suppose the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies are OOP > > > >>>> since long now. > > > >>> Well, I bought my set a long time ago, Gerard, and snapped it up as > > > >>> soon as it was made available, as I prefer it to the Helsinki > > > >>> recordings.
> > > >>> Perhaps if you hunt on the various Amazons you will luck out. Hope so.
> > > >>> I still have my LPs, by the way, and those should really be fairly > > > >>> easy to find.
> > > >>> TD
> > > >> I'm not looking for a new Sibelius set actually (there IS a new one by Colin > > > >> Davis, on LSO Live, and I should say "no, it's enough"), but if that > > > >> Bournemouth > > > >> set crosses my path somewhere sometime, I will think about snapping it, > > > >> getting > > > >> soooo tired of all those recommendations by Ray Hall during al those years > > > >> ;)
> > > > The EMI box is seen on this link. Well worth it at 17pounds, containing > > > > the symphonies and the tone poems. Amazon say there is more coming too.
> > > In my opinion, the Colin Davis set on RCA, also involving the London Symphony > > > Orchestra, is far superior in all respects to those he made in Boston and in > > > the Barbican. In fact, I find it now the most recommendable complete set, if > > > that's what anyone wants.
> > In regards to the 5th and FWIW (which probably isn't very much) a few > > years ago, I did an extensive comparison of this work between all of > > my recordings (which are numerous but does not include Collins). I > > was expecting to find a *winner* -someone that I could put above the > > others, but I could not. They all had they differing merits.
> > Dil.
> I should of added that my survey did include Gibson (on vinyl -as part > of the Great Men of Music, Time-Life series that I own) and I have > since acquired the Collins, but my decision remains the same -no > winner.
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Funnily enough, had you been taught by my Scottish friend Stuart MacGregor you'd nae use "of" as a verb.
> Dil wrote: > > On Nov 3, 5:18 pm, Terry <b...@clown.invalid> wrote: > >> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:08:49 +1100, Taree Dawg wrote > >> (in article <RgMHm.51734$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
> >>> Gerard wrote: > >>>> td wrote: > >>>>> On Nov 2, 5:01 am, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> Taree Dawg wrote: > >>>>>>> Gerard wrote: > >>>>>>>> Taree Dawg wrote: > >>>>>>>>> I still regard Berglund's Bournemouth set as one of the very > >>>>>>>>> best, for the whole cycle. Excellent EMI sound, and obtained > >>>>>>>>> on Brill Classics. > >>>>>>>> Probably you mean Royal Classics. > >>>>>>> Correct. > >>>>>>> Btw, the rest of the orchestral works, including the Kullervo, > >>>>>>> done by Berglund/Bournemouth, are on a couple of well filled, > >>>>>>> and excellent EMI Classics (Gemini) twofers. I don't know why > >>>>>>> the symphonies haven't appeared on this series though. > >>>>>>> Strangely, I have never come across the first two Legends by > >>>>>>> Berglund. Maybe he didn't rate them. > >>>>>> I've never seen the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies > >>>>>> (Kullervo excepted, on a EMI forte twofer, in which series the > >>>>>> Helsinki recordings of the symphonies have been issued, as in an > >>>>>> EMI boxed set). > >>>>>> The label Royal Classics, being a product made in the > >>>>>> Netherlands, never has been available in the Netherlands - with > >>>>>> a few exceptions concerning an irregular availability. > >>>>>> I suppose the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies are OOP > >>>>>> since long now. > >>>>> Well, I bought my set a long time ago, Gerard, and snapped it up > >>>>> as soon as it was made available, as I prefer it to the Helsinki > >>>>> recordings.
> >>>>> Perhaps if you hunt on the various Amazons you will luck out. > >>>>> Hope so.
> >>>>> I still have my LPs, by the way, and those should really be fairly > >>>>> easy to find.
> >>>>> TD
> >>>> I'm not looking for a new Sibelius set actually (there IS a new > >>>> one by Colin Davis, on LSO Live, and I should say "no, it's > >>>> enough"), but if that Bournemouth > >>>> set crosses my path somewhere sometime, I will think about > >>>> snapping it, getting > >>>> soooo tired of all those recommendations by Ray Hall during al > >>>> those years ;)
> >>> The EMI box is seen on this link. Well worth it at 17pounds, > >>> containing the symphonies and the tone poems. Amazon say there is > >>> more coming too.
> >> In my opinion, the Colin Davis set on RCA, also involving the London > >> Symphony Orchestra, is far superior in all respects to those he made > >> in Boston and in the Barbican. In fact, I find it now the most > >> recommendable complete set, if that's what anyone wants.
> > In regards to the 5th and FWIW (which probably isn't very much) a few > > years ago, I did an extensive comparison of this work between all of > > my recordings (which are numerous but does not include Collins). I > > was expecting to find a *winner* -someone that I could put above the > > others, but I could not. They all had they differing merits.
> > Dil.
> Nobody ever touts Bernstein on DG, but that's the one I imprinted on and it > sounds right to me. Not that I don't enjoy others as well. As a learning > experience for me, perhaps someone will tell me why I shouldn't like it.- Hide quoted text -
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Is it Sibelius or is it Sibelius-Bernstein. How much distorting of the text does one have to do before one has in effect made an arrangement?
> In regards to the 5th and FWIW (which probably isn't very much) a few > years ago, I did an extensive comparison of this work between all of > my recordings (which are numerous but does not include Collins). I > was expecting to find a *winner* -someone that I could put above the > others, but I could not. They all had they differing merits.
That's the "problem" when comparing good recordings. Sometimes it reveals that some performers do a lousy job where others excell. But it happens a lot of times that most do an excellent job and get very close to each other in one's vauation. It would be much easier if they were all bad except one ;-(
On Nov 4, 11:24 pm, "Frank Berger" <frank.d.ber...@dal.frb.org> wrote: <snip>
> Nobody ever touts Bernstein on DG, but that's the one I imprinted on and it > sounds right to me. Not that I don't enjoy others as well. As a learning > experience for me, perhaps someone will tell me why I shouldn't like it.
Not me; one of the very best versions imo. Brings out the Brucknerian grandeur in the piece.
Christopher Howell <ckhow...@ckhowell.com> appears to have caused the following letters to be typed in news:df7d5e5f-8cb2-46fd-9977- e639852d9...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
> But enough carping. One thing not pointed out so far is that, however good > Gibson's best concert performances were, his best opera performances were > better still. Furthermore, his creation, building and nurturing of Scottish > Opera over 25 years in the face of Edinburgh's municipal indifference (or > even harassment), including putting The Trojan's on the British operatic > map in advance of Davis's Covent Garden performances
Don't we actually have Kubelik to thank for that? See the recent release on Testament, which I may buy if I can find a non-confiscatory price for it.
> and commissioning at least 4 operas from Scottish composers (the one I saw, > Hamilton's The Catiline Conspiracy, was decidedly impressive), was surely a > great achievement by any standards.
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AN wrote: > On 5 Nov, 04:24, "Frank Berger" <frank.d.ber...@dal.frb.org> wrote: >> Dil wrote: >>> On Nov 3, 5:18 pm, Terry <b...@clown.invalid> wrote: >>>> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:08:49 +1100, Taree Dawg wrote >>>> (in article <RgMHm.51734$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
>>>>> Gerard wrote: >>>>>> td wrote: >>>>>>> On Nov 2, 5:01 am, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Taree Dawg wrote: >>>>>>>>> Gerard wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Taree Dawg wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I still regard Berglund's Bournemouth set as one of the very >>>>>>>>>>> best, for the whole cycle. Excellent EMI sound, and obtained >>>>>>>>>>> on Brill Classics. >>>>>>>>>> Probably you mean Royal Classics. >>>>>>>>> Correct. >>>>>>>>> Btw, the rest of the orchestral works, including the Kullervo, >>>>>>>>> done by Berglund/Bournemouth, are on a couple of well filled, >>>>>>>>> and excellent EMI Classics (Gemini) twofers. I don't know why >>>>>>>>> the symphonies haven't appeared on this series though. >>>>>>>>> Strangely, I have never come across the first two Legends by >>>>>>>>> Berglund. Maybe he didn't rate them. >>>>>>>> I've never seen the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies >>>>>>>> (Kullervo excepted, on a EMI forte twofer, in which series the >>>>>>>> Helsinki recordings of the symphonies have been issued, as in >>>>>>>> an EMI boxed set). >>>>>>>> The label Royal Classics, being a product made in the >>>>>>>> Netherlands, never has been available in the Netherlands - with >>>>>>>> a few exceptions concerning an irregular availability. >>>>>>>> I suppose the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies are OOP >>>>>>>> since long now. >>>>>>> Well, I bought my set a long time ago, Gerard, and snapped it up >>>>>>> as soon as it was made available, as I prefer it to the Helsinki >>>>>>> recordings.
>>>>>>> Perhaps if you hunt on the various Amazons you will luck out. >>>>>>> Hope so.
>>>>>>> I still have my LPs, by the way, and those should really be >>>>>>> fairly easy to find.
>>>>>>> TD
>>>>>> I'm not looking for a new Sibelius set actually (there IS a new >>>>>> one by Colin Davis, on LSO Live, and I should say "no, it's >>>>>> enough"), but if that Bournemouth >>>>>> set crosses my path somewhere sometime, I will think about >>>>>> snapping it, getting >>>>>> soooo tired of all those recommendations by Ray Hall during al >>>>>> those years ;)
>>>>> The EMI box is seen on this link. Well worth it at 17pounds, >>>>> containing the symphonies and the tone poems. Amazon say there is >>>>> more coming too.
>>>> In my opinion, the Colin Davis set on RCA, also involving the >>>> London Symphony Orchestra, is far superior in all respects to >>>> those he made in Boston and in the Barbican. In fact, I find it >>>> now the most recommendable complete set, if that's what anyone >>>> wants.
>>> In regards to the 5th and FWIW (which probably isn't very much) a >>> few years ago, I did an extensive comparison of this work between >>> all of my recordings (which are numerous but does not include >>> Collins). I was expecting to find a *winner* -someone that I could >>> put above the others, but I could not. They all had they differing >>> merits.
>>> Dil.
>> Nobody ever touts Bernstein on DG, but that's the one I imprinted on >> and it >> sounds right to me. Not that I don't enjoy others as well. As a >> learning >> experience for me, perhaps someone will tell me why I shouldn't like >> it.- Hide quoted text -
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> Is it Sibelius or is it Sibelius-Bernstein. How much distorting of the > text does one have to do before one has in effect made an arrangement?
AN wrote: > On 5 Nov, 01:38, Dil <grobberst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Nov 4, 7:04 pm, Dil <grobberst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 3, 5:18 pm, Terry <b...@clown.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:08:49 +1100, Taree Dawg wrote >>>> (in article <RgMHm.51734$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
>>>>> Gerard wrote: >>>>>> td wrote: >>>>>>> On Nov 2, 5:01 am, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Taree Dawg wrote: >>>>>>>>> Gerard wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Taree Dawg wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I still regard Berglund's Bournemouth set as one of the very >>>>>>>>>>> best, for the whole cycle. Excellent EMI sound, and obtained >>>>>>>>>>> on Brill Classics. >>>>>>>>>> Probably you mean Royal Classics. >>>>>>>>> Correct. >>>>>>>>> Btw, the rest of the orchestral works, including the Kullervo, >>>>>>>>> done by Berglund/Bournemouth, are on a couple of well filled, >>>>>>>>> and excellent EMI Classics (Gemini) twofers. I don't know why >>>>>>>>> the symphonies haven't appeared on this series though. >>>>>>>>> Strangely, I have never come across the first two Legends by >>>>>>>>> Berglund. Maybe he didn't rate them. >>>>>>>> I've never seen the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies >>>>>>>> (Kullervo excepted, on a EMI forte twofer, in which series the >>>>>>>> Helsinki recordings of the symphonies have been issued, as in >>>>>>>> an EMI boxed set). >>>>>>>> The label Royal Classics, being a product made in the >>>>>>>> Netherlands, never has been available in the Netherlands - >>>>>>>> with a few exceptions concerning an irregular availability. >>>>>>>> I suppose the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies are OOP >>>>>>>> since long now. >>>>>>> Well, I bought my set a long time ago, Gerard, and snapped it >>>>>>> up as soon as it was made available, as I prefer it to the >>>>>>> Helsinki recordings.
>>>>>>> Perhaps if you hunt on the various Amazons you will luck out. >>>>>>> Hope so.
>>>>>>> I still have my LPs, by the way, and those should really be >>>>>>> fairly easy to find.
>>>>>>> TD
>>>>>> I'm not looking for a new Sibelius set actually (there IS a new >>>>>> one by Colin Davis, on LSO Live, and I should say "no, it's >>>>>> enough"), but if that Bournemouth >>>>>> set crosses my path somewhere sometime, I will think about >>>>>> snapping it, getting >>>>>> soooo tired of all those recommendations by Ray Hall during al >>>>>> those years ;)
>>>>> The EMI box is seen on this link. Well worth it at 17pounds, >>>>> containing the symphonies and the tone poems. Amazon say there is >>>>> more coming too.
>>>> In my opinion, the Colin Davis set on RCA, also involving the >>>> London Symphony Orchestra, is far superior in all respects to >>>> those he made in Boston and in the Barbican. In fact, I find it >>>> now the most recommendable complete set, if that's what anyone >>>> wants.
>>> In regards to the 5th and FWIW (which probably isn't very much) a >>> few years ago, I did an extensive comparison of this work between >>> all of my recordings (which are numerous but does not include >>> Collins). I was expecting to find a *winner* -someone that I could >>> put above the others, but I could not. They all had they differing >>> merits.
>>> Dil.
>> I should of added that my survey did include Gibson (on vinyl -as >> part of the Great Men of Music, Time-Life series that I own) and I >> have since acquired the Collins, but my decision remains the same -no >> winner.
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> Funnily enough, had you been taught by my Scottish friend Stuart > MacGregor you'd nae use "of" as a verb.
> But, why were you expecting a "winner"?
Well, we have certain competitions already. And they do generate increased attention to CM. Maybe all concerts should be competitions. A "Battle of the Bands," if you will. Too busy to think about what the winners and losers should get.
> On Nov 4, 8:01 pm, M forever <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 4, 8:38 pm, Dil <grobberst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 4, 7:04 pm, Dil <grobberst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 3, 5:18 pm, Terry <b...@clown.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:08:49 +1100, Taree Dawg wrote > > > > > (in article <RgMHm.51734$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
> > > > > > Gerard wrote: > > > > > >> td wrote: > > > > > >>> On Nov 2, 5:01 am, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >>>> Taree Dawg wrote: > > > > > >>>>> Gerard wrote: > > > > > >>>>>> Taree Dawg wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>> I still regard Berglund's Bournemouth set as one of the very > > > > > >>>>>>> best, for the whole cycle. Excellent EMI sound, and obtained > > > > > >>>>>>> on Brill Classics. > > > > > >>>>>> Probably you mean Royal Classics. > > > > > >>>>> Correct. > > > > > >>>>> Btw, the rest of the orchestral works, including the Kullervo, > > > > > >>>>> done by Berglund/Bournemouth, are on a couple of well filled, and > > > > > >>>>> excellent EMI Classics (Gemini) twofers. I don't know why the > > > > > >>>>> symphonies haven't appeared on this series though. Strangely, I > > > > > >>>>> have never come across the first two Legends by Berglund. Maybe > > > > > >>>>> he didn't rate them. > > > > > >>>> I've never seen the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies > > > > > >>>> (Kullervo excepted, on a EMI forte twofer, in which series the > > > > > >>>> Helsinki recordings of the symphonies have been issued, as in an > > > > > >>>> EMI boxed set). > > > > > >>>> The label Royal Classics, being a product made in the Netherlands, > > > > > >>>> never has been available in the Netherlands - with a few exceptions > > > > > >>>> concerning an irregular availability. > > > > > >>>> I suppose the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies are OOP > > > > > >>>> since long now. > > > > > >>> Well, I bought my set a long time ago, Gerard, and snapped it up as > > > > > >>> soon as it was made available, as I prefer it to the Helsinki > > > > > >>> recordings.
> > > > > >>> Perhaps if you hunt on the various Amazons you will luck out. Hope so.
> > > > > >>> I still have my LPs, by the way, and those should really be fairly > > > > > >>> easy to find.
> > > > > >>> TD
> > > > > >> I'm not looking for a new Sibelius set actually (there IS a new one by Colin > > > > > >> Davis, on LSO Live, and I should say "no, it's enough"), but if that > > > > > >> Bournemouth > > > > > >> set crosses my path somewhere sometime, I will think about snapping it, > > > > > >> getting > > > > > >> soooo tired of all those recommendations by Ray Hall during al those years > > > > > >> ;)
> > > > > > The EMI box is seen on this link. Well worth it at 17pounds, containing > > > > > > the symphonies and the tone poems. Amazon say there is more coming too.
> > > > > In my opinion, the Colin Davis set on RCA, also involving the London Symphony > > > > > Orchestra, is far superior in all respects to those he made in Boston and in > > > > > the Barbican. In fact, I find it now the most recommendable complete set, if > > > > > that's what anyone wants.
> > > > In regards to the 5th and FWIW (which probably isn't very much) a few > > > > years ago, I did an extensive comparison of this work between all of > > > > my recordings (which are numerous but does not include Collins). I > > > > was expecting to find a *winner* -someone that I could put above the > > > > others, but I could not. They all had they differing merits.
> > > > Dil.
> > > I should of added that my survey did include Gibson (on vinyl -as part > > > of the Great Men of Music, Time-Life series that I own) and I have > > > since acquired the Collins, but my decision remains the same -no > > > winner.
> > > Dil.
> > Did you also review the second Bernstein recording from Vienna?
On 5 Nov, 16:40, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
Furthermore, his creation, building and nurturing of Scottish
> > Opera over 25 years in the face of Edinburgh's municipal indifference (or > > even harassment), including putting The Trojan's on the British operatic > > map in advance of Davis's Covent Garden performances
> Don't we actually have Kubelik to thank for that? See the recent release on > Testament, which I may buy if I can find a non-confiscatory price for it.
Yes, I hadn't forgotten that Kubelik put on The Trojans during his tenure at Covent Garden (and for that matter Gibson was building on a brave semi-amateur effort in Glasgow by Eric Chisholm earlir still). But did Kubelik play the score uncut? Has anyone heard this Testament issue? I had always understood Gibson and Davis were the first to demonstrate that the uncut score was a viable concern. For whatever reason (perhaps it was just too ahead of its time), I think the Kubelik production simply reinforced people's ideas that the opera was fascinating but intractible.
On Nov 4, 5:04 pm, Dil <grobberst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In regards to the 5th and FWIW (which probably isn't very much) a few > years ago, I did an extensive comparison of this work between all of > my recordings (which are numerous but does not include Collins). I > was expecting to find a *winner* -someone that I could put above the > others, but I could not. They all had they differing merits.
I hope you try Collins sometime. But I'm not sure how anyone could expect a clear winner in an extensive comparison...too many recordings are too good.
Christopher Howell <ckhow...@ckhowell.com> appears to have caused the following letters to be typed in news:db4f6705-ceed-4e11-aedf-61d881f047b3 @m20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
> On 5 Nov, 16:40, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > Furthermore, his creation, building and nurturing of Scottish Opera >> > over 25 years in the face of Edinburgh's municipal indifference (or >> > even harassment), including putting The Trojan's on the British >> > operatic map in advance of Davis's Covent Garden performances
>> Don't we actually have Kubelik to thank for that? See the recent >> release on Testament, which I may buy if I can find a non-confiscatory >> price for it.
> Yes, I hadn't forgotten that Kubelik put on The Trojans during his tenure > at Covent Garden (and for that matter Gibson was building on a brave > semi-amateur effort in Glasgow by Eric Chisholm earlir still). But did > Kubelik play the score uncut? Has anyone heard this Testament issue? I > had always understood Gibson and Davis were the first to demonstrate that > the uncut score was a viable concern. For whatever reason (perhaps it was > just too ahead of its time), I think the Kubelik production simply > reinforced people's ideas that the opera was fascinating but intractible.
The completeness issue wasn't specified in the post I was referring to, but of course you're right. And also of course, there was Beecham's 1947 broadcast with the RPO, of which I'm still waiting for a proper CD edition. (The Malibran set shamefully makes cuts in Act I of some music which was actually included in the performance: the little wrestling match, which I can live without, but also the pantomime scene with Andromache and Astyanax, the omission of which I find outrageous.)
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> On Nov 4, 9:07 pm, Dil <grobberst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 4, 8:01 pm, M forever <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 4, 8:38 pm, Dil <grobberst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 4, 7:04 pm, Dil <grobberst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 3, 5:18 pm, Terry <b...@clown.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:08:49 +1100, Taree Dawg wrote > > > > > > (in article <RgMHm.51734$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
> > > > > > > Gerard wrote: > > > > > > >> td wrote: > > > > > > >>> On Nov 2, 5:01 am, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > >>>> Taree Dawg wrote: > > > > > > >>>>> Gerard wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>> Taree Dawg wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>> I still regard Berglund's Bournemouth set as one of the very > > > > > > >>>>>>> best, for the whole cycle. Excellent EMI sound, and obtained > > > > > > >>>>>>> on Brill Classics. > > > > > > >>>>>> Probably you mean Royal Classics. > > > > > > >>>>> Correct. > > > > > > >>>>> Btw, the rest of the orchestral works, including the Kullervo, > > > > > > >>>>> done by Berglund/Bournemouth, are on a couple of well filled, and > > > > > > >>>>> excellent EMI Classics (Gemini) twofers. I don't know why the > > > > > > >>>>> symphonies haven't appeared on this series though. Strangely, I > > > > > > >>>>> have never come across the first two Legends by Berglund. Maybe > > > > > > >>>>> he didn't rate them. > > > > > > >>>> I've never seen the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies > > > > > > >>>> (Kullervo excepted, on a EMI forte twofer, in which series the > > > > > > >>>> Helsinki recordings of the symphonies have been issued, as in an > > > > > > >>>> EMI boxed set). > > > > > > >>>> The label Royal Classics, being a product made in the Netherlands, > > > > > > >>>> never has been available in the Netherlands - with a few exceptions > > > > > > >>>> concerning an irregular availability. > > > > > > >>>> I suppose the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies are OOP > > > > > > >>>> since long now. > > > > > > >>> Well, I bought my set a long time ago, Gerard, and snapped it up as > > > > > > >>> soon as it was made available, as I prefer it to the Helsinki > > > > > > >>> recordings.
> > > > > > >>> Perhaps if you hunt on the various Amazons you will luck out. Hope so.
> > > > > > >>> I still have my LPs, by the way, and those should really be fairly > > > > > > >>> easy to find.
> > > > > > >>> TD
> > > > > > >> I'm not looking for a new Sibelius set actually (there IS a new one by Colin > > > > > > >> Davis, on LSO Live, and I should say "no, it's enough"), but if that > > > > > > >> Bournemouth > > > > > > >> set crosses my path somewhere sometime, I will think about snapping it, > > > > > > >> getting > > > > > > >> soooo tired of all those recommendations by Ray Hall during al those years > > > > > > >> ;)
> > > > > > > The EMI box is seen on this link. Well worth it at 17pounds, containing > > > > > > > the symphonies and the tone poems. Amazon say there is more coming too.
> > > > > > In my opinion, the Colin Davis set on RCA, also involving the London Symphony > > > > > > Orchestra, is far superior in all respects to those he made in Boston and in > > > > > > the Barbican. In fact, I find it now the most recommendable complete set, if > > > > > > that's what anyone wants.
> > > > > In regards to the 5th and FWIW (which probably isn't very much) a few > > > > > years ago, I did an extensive comparison of this work between all of > > > > > my recordings (which are numerous but does not include Collins). I > > > > > was expecting to find a *winner* -someone that I could put above the > > > > > others, but I could not. They all had they differing merits.
> > > > > Dil.
> > > > I should of added that my survey did include Gibson (on vinyl -as part > > > > of the Great Men of Music, Time-Life series that I own) and I have > > > > since acquired the Collins, but my decision remains the same -no > > > > winner.
> > > > Dil.
> > > Did you also review the second Bernstein recording from Vienna?
> > Yes.
> And
Of hand, I really don’t remember much about it one way or the other. I will need to listen to it again to refresh my memory but I can’t do that until this evening when I return home. -Will try to report back and give a new opinion.
On Nov 5, 2:42 pm, jrsnfld <jrsn...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 5:04 pm, Dil <grobberst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In regards to the 5th and FWIW (which probably isn't very much) a few > > years ago, I did an extensive comparison of this work between all of > > my recordings (which are numerous but does not include Collins). I > > was expecting to find a *winner* -someone that I could put above the > > others, but I could not. They all had they differing merits.
> I hope you try Collins sometime. But I'm not sure how anyone could > expect a clear winner in an extensive comparison...too many > recordings are too good.
> --Jeff
I have since acquired the Collins on the Belluh (sp.?) transfer and you are correct, the competition is stiff in this work. If my little shack was on fire, I don't know which Sibelius 5th I would grab.
jrsnfld wrote: > On Nov 4, 5:04 pm, Dil <grobberst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In regards to the 5th and FWIW (which probably isn't very much) a few >> years ago, I did an extensive comparison of this work between all of >> my recordings (which are numerous but does not include Collins). I >> was expecting to find a *winner* -someone that I could put above the >> others, but I could not. They all had they differing merits.
> I hope you try Collins sometime. But I'm not sure how anyone could > expect a clear winner in an extensive comparison...too many recordings > are too good.
> --Jeff
I am not too ultra sure about 'too many'. In my mind too many Sibelius 5ths are the weak links in many cycles. Only Barbirolli has truly inspired me with this symphony, or brought out the grandeur I expect from the work. There are many 'good' ones, 'reasonable' or 'note perfect' ones, but very few great ones.
Mind you, I haven't heard Bernstein or several others, and I cannot remember Gibson's 5th.
I'd be interested in whether Celi has done a Sibelius 5th. I'd expect him to have done one.
> jrsnfld wrote: > > On Nov 4, 5:04 pm, Dil <grobberst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> In regards to the 5th and FWIW (which probably isn't very much) a few > >> years ago, I did an extensive comparison of this work between all of > >> my recordings (which are numerous but does not include Collins). I > >> was expecting to find a *winner* -someone that I could put above the > >> others, but I could not. They all had they differing merits.
> > I hope you try Collins sometime. But I'm not sure how anyone could > > expect a clear winner in an extensive comparison...too many recordings > > are too good.
> > --Jeff
> I am not too ultra sure about 'too many'. In my mind too many Sibelius > 5ths are the weak links in many cycles. Only Barbirolli has truly > inspired me with this symphony, or brought out the grandeur I expect > from the work. There are many 'good' ones, 'reasonable' or 'note > perfect' ones, but very few great ones.
What I said was that there are too many fine recordings to call out a real favorite among them (unless you're being arbitrarily specific about what you want to hear). There are certainly never enough great recordings of anything.
If only Barbirolli has inspired you in this symphony then maybe you don't like the piece as much as you think, or maybe you're looking for something that sounds too much like one of Barbirolli's recordings.
> Mind you, I haven't heard Bernstein or several others, and I cannot > remember Gibson's 5th.
> I'd be interested in whether Celi has done a Sibelius 5th. I'd expect > him to have done one.
Yes; at least one Celi performance has made it to CD. It's noteworthy and certainly more mainstream and more successful (IMHO) than his 2nd.
> On Nov 5, 1:53 pm, M forever <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 4, 9:07 pm, Dil <grobberst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 4, 8:01 pm, M forever <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 4, 8:38 pm, Dil <grobberst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 4, 7:04 pm, Dil <grobberst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 3, 5:18 pm, Terry <b...@clown.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:08:49 +1100, Taree Dawg wrote > > > > > > > (in article <RgMHm.51734$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
> > > > > > > > Gerard wrote: > > > > > > > >> td wrote: > > > > > > > >>> On Nov 2, 5:01 am, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>> Taree Dawg wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>> Gerard wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>> Taree Dawg wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I still regard Berglund's Bournemouth set as one of the very > > > > > > > >>>>>>> best, for the whole cycle. Excellent EMI sound, and obtained > > > > > > > >>>>>>> on Brill Classics. > > > > > > > >>>>>> Probably you mean Royal Classics. > > > > > > > >>>>> Correct. > > > > > > > >>>>> Btw, the rest of the orchestral works, including the Kullervo, > > > > > > > >>>>> done by Berglund/Bournemouth, are on a couple of well filled, and > > > > > > > >>>>> excellent EMI Classics (Gemini) twofers. I don't know why the > > > > > > > >>>>> symphonies haven't appeared on this series though. Strangely, I > > > > > > > >>>>> have never come across the first two Legends by Berglund. Maybe > > > > > > > >>>>> he didn't rate them. > > > > > > > >>>> I've never seen the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies > > > > > > > >>>> (Kullervo excepted, on a EMI forte twofer, in which series the > > > > > > > >>>> Helsinki recordings of the symphonies have been issued, as in an > > > > > > > >>>> EMI boxed set). > > > > > > > >>>> The label Royal Classics, being a product made in the Netherlands, > > > > > > > >>>> never has been available in the Netherlands - with a few exceptions > > > > > > > >>>> concerning an irregular availability. > > > > > > > >>>> I suppose the Bournemouth recordings of the symphonies are OOP > > > > > > > >>>> since long now. > > > > > > > >>> Well, I bought my set a long time ago, Gerard, and snapped it up as > > > > > > > >>> soon as it was made available, as I prefer it to the Helsinki > > > > > > > >>> recordings.
> > > > > > > >>> Perhaps if you hunt on the various Amazons you will luck out. Hope so.
> > > > > > > >>> I still have my LPs, by the way, and those should really be fairly > > > > > > > >>> easy to find.
> > > > > > > >>> TD
> > > > > > > >> I'm not looking for a new Sibelius set actually (there IS a new one by Colin > > > > > > > >> Davis, on LSO Live, and I should say "no, it's enough"), but if that > > > > > > > >> Bournemouth > > > > > > > >> set crosses my path somewhere sometime, I will think about snapping it, > > > > > > > >> getting > > > > > > > >> soooo tired of all those recommendations by Ray Hall during al those years > > > > > > > >> ;)
> > > > > > > > The EMI box is seen on this link. Well worth it at 17pounds, containing > > > > > > > > the symphonies and the tone poems. Amazon say there is more coming too.
> > > > > > > In my opinion, the Colin Davis set on RCA, also involving the London Symphony > > > > > > > Orchestra, is far superior in all respects to those he made in Boston and in > > > > > > > the Barbican. In fact, I find it now the most recommendable complete set, if > > > > > > > that's what anyone wants.
> > > > > > In regards to the 5th and FWIW (which probably isn't very much) a few > > > > > > years ago, I did an extensive comparison of this work between all of > > > > > > my recordings (which are numerous but does not include Collins). I > > > > > > was expecting to find a *winner* -someone that I could put above the > > > > > > others, but I could not. They all had they differing merits.
> > > > > > Dil.
> > > > > I should of added that my survey did include Gibson (on vinyl -as part > > > > > of the Great Men of Music, Time-Life series that I own) and I have > > > > > since acquired the Collins, but my decision remains the same -no > > > > > winner.
> > > > > Dil.
> > > > Did you also review the second Bernstein recording from Vienna?
> > > Yes.
> > And
> Of hand, I really don’t remember much about it one way or the other. I > will need to listen to it again to refresh my memory but I can’t do > that until this evening when I return home. -Will try to report back > and give a new opinion.
> Dil.
I just finished with Bernstein’s Vienna Sibelius 5th (on DG). Well, it is quite excellent.
Based on Bernstein’s nearly contemporary recording of the Sibelius 2nd in Vienna, I was expecting something large, bold, ands frankly – outlandish. But here, everything is understated (in a good way), supple, and luminous. It was nearly unbelievable, at least to these ears, as a late Bernstein performance. It’s quiet and introverted but still holds that mysticism that is the fundamental of this work. The third movement too came off very well especially in the middle climax where the large horn figurations (I don’t know what the technically correct term is) that accompany the broadly laid theme of the woodwinds, nobly reticent. (In Karajan’s excellent DG performance, those horn figurations are unashamedly out front –but that works very well too). All in all, very satisfying.
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