"I'm going through the ones I know, and I plan to... study systematically the symphonies I don't really know, even if I may have heard them once or so."
Thanks, Samir, for your insights into Shostakovich, particularly Kondrashin in the Symphony #13.
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I feel that in my posts I have over-emphasized the weight of the first movement. No question, the first movement deals with the most concrete- serious-historical-overwhelming subject imaginable. However, the real miracle is in how Shostakovich creates something beyond ideology, beyond history, beyond parti pris. Music of ultimate genius transcending the no doubt inspired, sincere poems of a most talented poet (who is still among us, and teaching in the US, as far as I remember).
In fact the whole symphony is a miracle of meaning. Comparing the 13th and the 5th, to exaggerate just a tad, let's think of the aesthetic proportion between Don Giovanni and a Sonata Facile with more minor modulations.
I am slightly less enthralled by the fifth movement of the 13th, but the first four movements are almost autonomous poetic/musical masterpieces somewhat united by a valiant, underlying humanistic purpose which both goes beyond music and is perfectly/genuinely musically motivated. If I had to pick a favorite, the first movement would be probably no. 2. The third movement would be number one, because the (relatively more trivial) poetry is being added a factor of musical meaning which no other composer could. Not even Mahler.
Sometimes muses and darkness concur into creating miracles one feels trivial in commenting about.
SG <sgg...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following letters to be typed in news:c5639601-c384-4083-becf-8fe12665b471 @g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
> I am slightly less enthralled by the fifth movement of the 13th, but > the first four movements are almost autonomous poetic/musical > masterpieces somewhat united by a valiant, underlying humanistic > purpose which both goes beyond music and is perfectly/genuinely > musically motivated. If I had to pick a favorite, the first movement > would be probably no. 2. The third movement would be number one, > because the (relatively more trivial) poetry is being added a factor > of musical meaning which no other composer could. Not even Mahler.
Tell that to Pierre Boulez. ;--)
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I didn't mean that Shosty would be greater than Mahler, Mahler greater than Shosty, or any such ultimately meaningless generalisation. I perhaps find Mahler's symphonic output more objectively varied and subjectively indispensable in each symphony of his. Mahler wrote "only" nine of them, but none of them is dispensable or like another one.
What I meant, regarding the third movement (In the Store) of DS's 13th Symphony, was that I have never experienced a composer taking such a poem (good, but not really earth-shattering) and adding *in the music itself* SO much to it that it ends by sounding like an ultimate poetic masterpiece. Even harder to do than write the overwhelming music to the overwhelming Babi Yar poem of the first movement. On an aesthetic level, proof of compositional mastery, proof of elemental strength of music among arts, which challenge reason and legitimate expectation.
Incidentally, here's what Maria Yudina wrote to Shostakovich (Shostakovich admired her greatly, he thought nobody could play Bach fugues as "choir-like" as Yudina) after the premiere:
'I can say thank you from the late Pasternak, Zabolotsky, innumerable other friends, from the tortured-to-death Meyerhold, Mikhoels, Karvasin, Mandelstam, from the nameless hundreds of thousands of "Ivan Denisoviches", they cannot be counted, the ones Pasternak called "tortured alive" - you know all that, they all live in you, we are all burning in the pages of The Score, you have given it as a gift to us, your contemporaries - for generations to come'.
It is "politics" in a way but, more importantly, it is so much more than politics. It is a Black and Luminous Book of communism and hope, black for communism, luminosity for hope, and what it really represented, in life rather than in ideology.
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:41:43 -0800 (PST), SG <sgg...@gmail.com> wrote: >20 Dec 1962 (second performance), Gromadsky, Moscow Philharmonic, >Russian >Disc RDCD 11 191.
The liner notes to this Russian Disc (which are reproduced here -- http://www3.telus.net/~mjq/misc/002.jpg) suggest that this performance is the premiere on December 18, 1962, using the original texts, and doesn't mention anything about a "second" performance. But on the back cover -- http://www3.telus.net/~mjq/misc/002.jpg -- it says that this version was recorded on December 20, 1962. Confusing!