> > > Is the latest reissue of the Dorati Haydn symphonies an improvement > > > over the 1991 transfers? The 1991 boxes come with notes and are > > > available cheaply from Amazon resellers. I might buy a box or two > > > rather than get the entire 33 disc set.
> > To the extent you're asking me, I'm afraid I don't know - I have the 1991 > > version.
> > Simon
> How many reissues are there? My box says 1996, and it sounds fine to > me.
1991, in 8 separate boxes. 1996, in one box 2009, in one box sans notes.
> > > > Is the latest reissue of the Dorati Haydn symphonies an improvement > > > > over the 1991 transfers? The 1991 boxes come with notes and are > > > > available cheaply from Amazon resellers. I might buy a box or two > > > > rather than get the entire 33 disc set.
> > > To the extent you're asking me, I'm afraid I don't know - I have the 1991 > > > version.
> > > Simon
> > How many reissues are there? My box says 1996, and it sounds fine to > > me.
> 1991, in 8 separate boxes. > 1996, in one box > 2009, in one box sans notes.
Thanks. And I should have said that the discs sound fine; the box is completely silent. At 30 quid it was a real bargain, even though the booklet isn't exactly comprehensive.
> On Nov 3, 11:26 am, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> > wrote:>
> > >Does anyone have any recommendations for Haydn's "Hornsignal" symphonies? >>
> A fine version of #31 that I've not seen on CD was the old Turnabout > LP - > Rilling/Stuttgart Bach Collegium - also a good version of #59, "Fire"
> I also have Drahos, OK, not spectacular, and Harnoncourt from '92 - > very brassy natural horns. An horn-playing buddy of mine loves the > recording as a curiosity - says the horns sound like kazoos!!
> I also have a version [mvt I only] of Dennis Brain with an English > orchestra from London, 1952. good but not great, I still prefer > Rilling. I wish it made it to CD.
I picked up two more last night - a 1960s Szell/Cleveland broadcast and the Maezendorf/Vienna Chamber Orchestra recording, the latter part of the 'forgotten' Haydn symphony set. The mono sound on the Szell is pretty good for a broadcast, but the Cleveland horns are having a bad day in the first movement. I wish they'd done this in the studio. The Maezendorf recording is wonderful - his horns have more bite, if less polish, than Fischer, and he's not afraid to linger in the slow movement.
<neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote: >On Nov 4, 4:27 pm, Heck51 <dgallagh...@comcast.net> wrote: >> On Nov 3, 11:26 am, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> >> wrote:>
>> > >Does anyone have any recommendations for Haydn's "Hornsignal" symphonies? >>
>> A fine version of #31 that I've not seen on CD was the old Turnabout >> LP - >> Rilling/Stuttgart Bach Collegium - also a good version of #59, "Fire"
>> I also have Drahos, OK, not spectacular, and Harnoncourt from '92 - >> very brassy natural horns. An horn-playing buddy of mine loves the >> recording as a curiosity - says the horns sound like kazoos!!
>> I also have a version [mvt I only] of Dennis Brain with an English >> orchestra from London, 1952. good but not great, I still prefer >> Rilling. I wish it made it to CD.
>I picked up two more last night - a 1960s Szell/Cleveland broadcast >and the Maezendorf/Vienna Chamber Orchestra recording, the latter part >of the 'forgotten' Haydn symphony set. The mono sound on the Szell is >pretty good for a broadcast, but the Cleveland horns are having a bad >day in the first movement. I wish they'd done this in the studio. The >Maezendorf recording is wonderful - his horns have more bite, if less >polish, than Fischer, and he's not afraid to linger in the slow >movement.
Did you hear the Toscanini I just posted. Superb horns
> Did you hear the Toscanini I just posted. Superb horns
> Abbedd
The only Toscanini (or whatever) you just posted is:
"Where is the crap the commercially bought rice puddings have so they can make it in January and sell it in December? Where is the crap they put in to hold it together?"
On Nov 7, 12:16 pm, ansermetniac <ansermetn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Sentimental fool
Have you even heard the recording you stupid ass-wipe??
nobody cares what you think, powell. You are nothing. you can do nothing, you've done nothing, your opinion isn't worth a sack of crap. You will never gain the respect of the musical community, which you crave so desperately...it simply won't happen...you are outside, looking in, forever.
<dgallagh...@comcast.net> wrote: >On Nov 7, 12:16 pm, ansermetniac <ansermetn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Sentimental fool
>Have you even heard the recording you stupid ass-wipe??
>nobody cares what you think, powell. You are nothing. you can do >nothing, you've done nothing, your opinion isn't worth a sack of >crap. >You will never gain the respect of the musical community, which you >crave so desperately...it simply won't happen...you are outside, >looking in, forever.
Does the conductor of your community orch know that you are mentally ill ????
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:12:29 -0800 (PST), The Historian
> <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote: > >On Nov 4, 4:27 pm, Heck51 <dgallagh...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> On Nov 3, 11:26 am, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> > >> wrote:>
> >> > >Does anyone have any recommendations for Haydn's "Hornsignal" symphonies? >>
> >> A fine version of #31 that I've not seen on CD was the old Turnabout > >> LP - > >> Rilling/Stuttgart Bach Collegium - also a good version of #59, "Fire"
> >> I also have Drahos, OK, not spectacular, and Harnoncourt from '92 - > >> very brassy natural horns. An horn-playing buddy of mine loves the > >> recording as a curiosity - says the horns sound like kazoos!!
> >> I also have a version [mvt I only] of Dennis Brain with an English > >> orchestra from London, 1952. good but not great, I still prefer > >> Rilling. I wish it made it to CD.
> >I picked up two more last night - a 1960s Szell/Cleveland broadcast > >and the Maezendorf/Vienna Chamber Orchestra recording, the latter part > >of the 'forgotten' Haydn symphony set. The mono sound on the Szell is > >pretty good for a broadcast, but the Cleveland horns are having a bad > >day in the first movement. I wish they'd done this in the studio. The > >Maezendorf recording is wonderful - his horns have more bite, if less > >polish, than Fischer, and he's not afraid to linger in the slow > >movement.
> Did you hear the Toscanini I just posted. Superb horns
I have the Naxos issue from ten years ago. I agree the horns are pretty good.
<neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote: >On Nov 7, 11:36 am, ansermetniac <ansermetn...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:12:29 -0800 (PST), The Historian
>> <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >On Nov 4, 4:27 pm, Heck51 <dgallagh...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> On Nov 3, 11:26 am, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote:>
>> >> > >Does anyone have any recommendations for Haydn's "Hornsignal" symphonies? >>
>> >> A fine version of #31 that I've not seen on CD was the old Turnabout >> >> LP - >> >> Rilling/Stuttgart Bach Collegium - also a good version of #59, "Fire"
>> >> I also have Drahos, OK, not spectacular, and Harnoncourt from '92 - >> >> very brassy natural horns. An horn-playing buddy of mine loves the >> >> recording as a curiosity - says the horns sound like kazoos!!
>> >> I also have a version [mvt I only] of Dennis Brain with an English >> >> orchestra from London, 1952. good but not great, I still prefer >> >> Rilling. I wish it made it to CD.
>> >I picked up two more last night - a 1960s Szell/Cleveland broadcast >> >and the Maezendorf/Vienna Chamber Orchestra recording, the latter part >> >of the 'forgotten' Haydn symphony set. The mono sound on the Szell is >> >pretty good for a broadcast, but the Cleveland horns are having a bad >> >day in the first movement. I wish they'd done this in the studio. The >> >Maezendorf recording is wonderful - his horns have more bite, if less >> >polish, than Fischer, and he's not afraid to linger in the slow >> >movement.
>> Did you hear the Toscanini I just posted. Superb horns
>I have the Naxos issue from ten years ago. I agree the horns are >pretty good.
On Nov 7, 12:57 pm, ansermetniac <ansermetn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Does the conductor.....>>
more inane gibberish babbled by a musical nothing. a leading question based upon faulty assumptions not in evidence. the flawed question is not addressable.
answer the question, jackass - have you even heard the recording in question??
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:21:00 -0800 (PST), The Historian
> <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote: > >On Nov 7, 11:36 am, ansermetniac <ansermetn...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:12:29 -0800 (PST), The Historian
> >> <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >On Nov 4, 4:27 pm, Heck51 <dgallagh...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> >> On Nov 3, 11:26 am, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> > >> >> wrote:>
> >> >> > >Does anyone have any recommendations for Haydn's "Hornsignal" symphonies? >>
> >> >> A fine version of #31 that I've not seen on CD was the old Turnabout > >> >> LP - > >> >> Rilling/Stuttgart Bach Collegium - also a good version of #59, "Fire"
> >> >> I also have Drahos, OK, not spectacular, and Harnoncourt from '92 - > >> >> very brassy natural horns. An horn-playing buddy of mine loves the > >> >> recording as a curiosity - says the horns sound like kazoos!!
> >> >> I also have a version [mvt I only] of Dennis Brain with an English > >> >> orchestra from London, 1952. good but not great, I still prefer > >> >> Rilling. I wish it made it to CD.
> >> >I picked up two more last night - a 1960s Szell/Cleveland broadcast > >> >and the Maezendorf/Vienna Chamber Orchestra recording, the latter part > >> >of the 'forgotten' Haydn symphony set. The mono sound on the Szell is > >> >pretty good for a broadcast, but the Cleveland horns are having a bad > >> >day in the first movement. I wish they'd done this in the studio. The > >> >Maezendorf recording is wonderful - his horns have more bite, if less > >> >polish, than Fischer, and he's not afraid to linger in the slow > >> >movement.
> >> Did you hear the Toscanini I just posted. Superb horns
> >I have the Naxos issue from ten years ago. I agree the horns are > >pretty good.
> The sound I offer is superior
> Abbedd
I just downloaded and listened to the 31st, then deleted it. It sounds like shit in a sardine can, even after some reverse EQ is applied. There are some noticeable digital artifacts as well which were most likely caused by your amateurish playing around with signal processing software you don't understand. It's not really that hard to learn these things properly, seriously. There are lots of good books and there is also a lot of good information about audio engineering on the net. You just have to bring some basic understanding of physics with you. We know you don't have that, but once you get to the level of understanding of, say, someone in 9th grade, you should be able to proceed to learn how sound and sound processing actually works. It's a little tricky sometimes, but it's not rocket science either. So don't let yourself be frustrated too quickly! Good luck!
As for the performance, it's pretty mediocre and musically uninteresting, the horn playing is OK but nothing special either. Quite a bit of intonation problems and some wrong notes in the second movement, too.
BTW, the included score contains a number of errors and is just as outdated as Toscanini's "interpretation", or rather, lack thereof. Recordings like these remind us why around that time, some people started wondering whether this music should really be played that mechanically and with lack of nuances, just because there isn't more written in the score. A lot of what has happened in and through the "HIP movement" in the meantime may be doubtful and sometimes just as little convincing, or even downright ridiculous, but dire, uninformed performances like this one remind us why it can be so valuable to actually learn a few things about period instruments, performance, and esthetics rather than just playing through the written notes without any stylistic knowledge or feeling.
> On Nov 4, 4:27 pm, Heck51 <dgallagh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 11:26 am, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> > > wrote:>
> > > >Does anyone have any recommendations for Haydn's "Hornsignal" symphonies? >>
> > A fine version of #31 that I've not seen on CD was the old Turnabout > > LP - > > Rilling/Stuttgart Bach Collegium - also a good version of #59, "Fire"
> > I also have Drahos, OK, not spectacular, and Harnoncourt from '92 - > > very brassy natural horns. An horn-playing buddy of mine loves the > > recording as a curiosity - says the horns sound like kazoos!!
> > I also have a version [mvt I only] of Dennis Brain with an English > > orchestra from London, 1952. good but not great, I still prefer > > Rilling. I wish it made it to CD.
> I picked up two more last night - a 1960s Szell/Cleveland broadcast > and the Maezendorf/Vienna Chamber Orchestra recording, the latter part > of the 'forgotten' Haydn symphony set. The mono sound on the Szell is > pretty good for a broadcast, but the Cleveland horns are having a bad > day in the first movement. I wish they'd done this in the studio. The > Maezendorf recording is wonderful - his horns have more bite, if less > polish, than Fischer, and he's not afraid to linger in the slow > movement.
I just looked for these recordings and didn't know that he - the name is Märzendorfer (alt.splelling Maerzendorfer), BTW, not "Maezendorf" - recorded all the Haydn symphonies before Dorati. Interesting. I couldn't find these recordings available anywhere soon. I would be interested in at least sampling a little bit. Märzendorfer conducted at the opera in Berlin regularly when I was younger.
> On Nov 7, 11:12 am, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 4, 4:27 pm, Heck51 <dgallagh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 11:26 am, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> > > > wrote:>
> > > > >Does anyone have any recommendations for Haydn's "Hornsignal" symphonies? >>
> > > A fine version of #31 that I've not seen on CD was the old Turnabout > > > LP - > > > Rilling/Stuttgart Bach Collegium - also a good version of #59, "Fire"
> > > I also have Drahos, OK, not spectacular, and Harnoncourt from '92 - > > > very brassy natural horns. An horn-playing buddy of mine loves the > > > recording as a curiosity - says the horns sound like kazoos!!
> > > I also have a version [mvt I only] of Dennis Brain with an English > > > orchestra from London, 1952. good but not great, I still prefer > > > Rilling. I wish it made it to CD.
> > I picked up two more last night - a 1960s Szell/Cleveland broadcast > > and the Maezendorf/Vienna Chamber Orchestra recording, the latter part > > of the 'forgotten' Haydn symphony set. The mono sound on the Szell is > > pretty good for a broadcast, but the Cleveland horns are having a bad > > day in the first movement. I wish they'd done this in the studio. The > > Maezendorf recording is wonderful - his horns have more bite, if less > > polish, than Fischer, and he's not afraid to linger in the slow > > movement.
> I just looked for these recordings and didn't know that he - the name > is Märzendorfer (alt.splelling Maerzendorfer), BTW, not "Maezendorf" -
Yes, I should have looked it up rather than trust my memory.
> recorded all the Haydn symphonies before Dorati. Interesting. I > couldn't find these recordings available anywhere soon. I would be > interested in at least sampling a little bit. Märzendorfer conducted > at the opera in Berlin regularly when I was younger.
> On Nov 7, 4:09 pm, M forever <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 11:12 am, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 4, 4:27 pm, Heck51 <dgallagh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 3, 11:26 am, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote:>
> > > > > >Does anyone have any recommendations for Haydn's "Hornsignal" symphonies? >>
> > > > A fine version of #31 that I've not seen on CD was the old Turnabout > > > > LP - > > > > Rilling/Stuttgart Bach Collegium - also a good version of #59, "Fire"
> > > > I also have Drahos, OK, not spectacular, and Harnoncourt from '92 - > > > > very brassy natural horns. An horn-playing buddy of mine loves the > > > > recording as a curiosity - says the horns sound like kazoos!!
> > > > I also have a version [mvt I only] of Dennis Brain with an English > > > > orchestra from London, 1952. good but not great, I still prefer > > > > Rilling. I wish it made it to CD.
> > > I picked up two more last night - a 1960s Szell/Cleveland broadcast > > > and the Maezendorf/Vienna Chamber Orchestra recording, the latter part > > > of the 'forgotten' Haydn symphony set. The mono sound on the Szell is > > > pretty good for a broadcast, but the Cleveland horns are having a bad > > > day in the first movement. I wish they'd done this in the studio. The > > > Maezendorf recording is wonderful - his horns have more bite, if less > > > polish, than Fischer, and he's not afraid to linger in the slow > > > movement.
> > I just looked for these recordings and didn't know that he - the name > > is Märzendorfer (alt.splelling Maerzendorfer), BTW, not "Maezendorf" -
> Yes, I should have looked it up rather than trust my memory.
> > recorded all the Haydn symphonies before Dorati. Interesting. I > > couldn't find these recordings available anywhere soon. I would be > > interested in at least sampling a little bit. Märzendorfer conducted > > at the opera in Berlin regularly when I was younger.
> On Nov 7, 4:24 pm, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 4:09 pm, M forever <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 7, 11:12 am, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 4, 4:27 pm, Heck51 <dgallagh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 3, 11:26 am, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote:>
> > > > > > >Does anyone have any recommendations for Haydn's "Hornsignal" symphonies? >>
> > > > > A fine version of #31 that I've not seen on CD was the old Turnabout > > > > > LP - > > > > > Rilling/Stuttgart Bach Collegium - also a good version of #59, "Fire"
> > > > > I also have Drahos, OK, not spectacular, and Harnoncourt from '92 - > > > > > very brassy natural horns. An horn-playing buddy of mine loves the > > > > > recording as a curiosity - says the horns sound like kazoos!!
> > > > > I also have a version [mvt I only] of Dennis Brain with an English > > > > > orchestra from London, 1952. good but not great, I still prefer > > > > > Rilling. I wish it made it to CD.
> > > > I picked up two more last night - a 1960s Szell/Cleveland broadcast > > > > and the Maezendorf/Vienna Chamber Orchestra recording, the latter part > > > > of the 'forgotten' Haydn symphony set. The mono sound on the Szell is > > > > pretty good for a broadcast, but the Cleveland horns are having a bad > > > > day in the first movement. I wish they'd done this in the studio. The > > > > Maezendorf recording is wonderful - his horns have more bite, if less > > > > polish, than Fischer, and he's not afraid to linger in the slow > > > > movement.
> > > I just looked for these recordings and didn't know that he - the name > > > is Märzendorfer (alt.splelling Maerzendorfer), BTW, not "Maezendorf" -
> > Yes, I should have looked it up rather than trust my memory.
> > > recorded all the Haydn symphonies before Dorati. Interesting. I > > > couldn't find these recordings available anywhere soon. I would be > > > interested in at least sampling a little bit. Märzendorfer conducted > > > at the opera in Berlin regularly when I was younger.
> On Nov 7, 4:28 pm, M forever <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 4:24 pm, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 7, 4:09 pm, M forever <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 7, 11:12 am, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 4, 4:27 pm, Heck51 <dgallagh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 3, 11:26 am, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> > > > > > > wrote:>
> > > > > > > >Does anyone have any recommendations for Haydn's "Hornsignal" symphonies? >>
> > > > > > A fine version of #31 that I've not seen on CD was the old Turnabout > > > > > > LP - > > > > > > Rilling/Stuttgart Bach Collegium - also a good version of #59, "Fire"
> > > > > > I also have Drahos, OK, not spectacular, and Harnoncourt from '92 - > > > > > > very brassy natural horns. An horn-playing buddy of mine loves the > > > > > > recording as a curiosity - says the horns sound like kazoos!!
> > > > > > I also have a version [mvt I only] of Dennis Brain with an English > > > > > > orchestra from London, 1952. good but not great, I still prefer > > > > > > Rilling. I wish it made it to CD.
> > > > > I picked up two more last night - a 1960s Szell/Cleveland broadcast > > > > > and the Maezendorf/Vienna Chamber Orchestra recording, the latter part > > > > > of the 'forgotten' Haydn symphony set. The mono sound on the Szell is > > > > > pretty good for a broadcast, but the Cleveland horns are having a bad > > > > > day in the first movement. I wish they'd done this in the studio. The > > > > > Maezendorf recording is wonderful - his horns have more bite, if less > > > > > polish, than Fischer, and he's not afraid to linger in the slow > > > > > movement.
> > > > I just looked for these recordings and didn't know that he - the name > > > > is Märzendorfer (alt.splelling Maerzendorfer), BTW, not "Maezendorf" -
> > > Yes, I should have looked it up rather than trust my memory.
> > > > recorded all the Haydn symphonies before Dorati. Interesting. I > > > > couldn't find these recordings available anywhere soon. I would be > > > > interested in at least sampling a little bit. Märzendorfer conducted > > > > at the opera in Berlin regularly when I was younger.
> > So where did you find this recording?
> Symphonyshare.
Aha! Thanks for the tip. Looks like someone took the trouble and transferred and uploaded a lot (all?) of these recordings there. I just grabbed #31 which I agree is quite nice, but I don't find it entirely convincing either. I think the horns are too "tamed" although I think Harnoncourt OTOH, while I like the brassy sound of the horns a lot, really overdoes it a little here, and also in the stomping heaviness of some of the accents in the string playing, in particular in the last movement. At least both have a cello and a double bass solo in the last movement instead of two cello solos as it incorrectly appears in the older editions of the score.
> I just looked for these recordings and didn't know that he - the name > is Märzendorfer (alt.splelling Maerzendorfer), BTW, not "Maezendorf" - > recorded all the Haydn symphonies before Dorati. Interesting. I > couldn't find these recordings available anywhere soon. I would be > interested in at least sampling a little bit. Märzendorfer conducted > at the opera in Berlin regularly when I was younger.
Maybe you can - and are willing to - enlighten me on pronunciation here. I think I understand the difference between 'maez' and 'maz', the former calls for what I think of as a flat 'a' sound. Map rather than something close to mop. But add the 'r', and it doesn't signify. Hillbilly Northern New Englanders have a limited sound palate anyway.
> > I just looked for these recordings and didn't know that he - the name > > is Märzendorfer (alt.splelling Maerzendorfer), BTW, not "Maezendorf" - > > recorded all the Haydn symphonies before Dorati. Interesting. I > > couldn't find these recordings available anywhere soon. I would be > > interested in at least sampling a little bit. Märzendorfer conducted > > at the opera in Berlin regularly when I was younger.
> Maybe you can - and are willing to - enlighten me on pronunciation here. > I think I understand the difference between 'maez' and 'maz', the former > calls for what I think of as a flat 'a' sound. Map rather than something > close to mop. But add the 'r', and it doesn't signify. Hillbilly > Northern New Englanders have a limited sound palate anyway.
> bl
The Ä sound, as in "mäz" or "maez" indeed sounds close to the a in English "map", maybe a little less nasal though, or like "let". A plain A sounds more like in "father".
The R depends a lot on the dialect or accent. In some south German and Austrian dialects, it is rolled at the tip of the tongue at the beginning and in the middle of words and a single flick of the tongue at the end of words, while in middle and northern German dialects, it is not rolled but a slightly rasping, "gargling" sound in the throat rather like in French, although in the middle and at the end of words, it almost disappears and is only heard as a very faint A sound, similar to "uh". So "dorf" would sound like "dorrf" in the south and more like "doh-af" in other parts.
So "Märzendorfer" would sound something like "Mettsen-doh-afa" or similar, but with rolled Rs. Not easy to explain English.
> On Nov 7, 4:30 pm, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 4:28 pm, M forever <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 7, 4:24 pm, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 7, 4:09 pm, M forever <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 7, 11:12 am, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 4, 4:27 pm, Heck51 <dgallagh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Nov 3, 11:26 am, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > wrote:>
> > > > > > > > >Does anyone have any recommendations for Haydn's "Hornsignal" symphonies? >>
> > > > > > > A fine version of #31 that I've not seen on CD was the old Turnabout > > > > > > > LP - > > > > > > > Rilling/Stuttgart Bach Collegium - also a good version of #59, "Fire"
> > > > > > > I also have Drahos, OK, not spectacular, and Harnoncourt from '92 - > > > > > > > very brassy natural horns. An horn-playing buddy of mine loves the > > > > > > > recording as a curiosity - says the horns sound like kazoos!!
> > > > > > > I also have a version [mvt I only] of Dennis Brain with an English > > > > > > > orchestra from London, 1952. good but not great, I still prefer > > > > > > > Rilling. I wish it made it to CD.
> > > > > > I picked up two more last night - a 1960s Szell/Cleveland broadcast > > > > > > and the Maezendorf/Vienna Chamber Orchestra recording, the latter part > > > > > > of the 'forgotten' Haydn symphony set. The mono sound on the Szell is > > > > > > pretty good for a broadcast, but the Cleveland horns are having a bad > > > > > > day in the first movement. I wish they'd done this in the studio. The > > > > > > Maezendorf recording is wonderful - his horns have more bite, if less > > > > > > polish, than Fischer, and he's not afraid to linger in the slow > > > > > > movement.
> > > > > I just looked for these recordings and didn't know that he - the name > > > > > is Märzendorfer (alt.splelling Maerzendorfer), BTW, not "Maezendorf" -
> > > > Yes, I should have looked it up rather than trust my memory.
> > > > > recorded all the Haydn symphonies before Dorati. Interesting. I > > > > > couldn't find these recordings available anywhere soon. I would be > > > > > interested in at least sampling a little bit. Märzendorfer conducted > > > > > at the opera in Berlin regularly when I was younger.
> > > So where did you find this recording?
> > Symphonyshare.
> Aha! Thanks for the tip. Looks like someone took the trouble and > transferred and uploaded a lot (all?) of these recordings there.
All of them. I've now listened to 22, 30, 31, 39, and 73. They make a good contrast to the Fischer recordings, and in one case (30) I prefer Märzendorfer. Fischer seems to drive the opening of 30 very hard, and Märzendorfer is a little more relaxed-sounding.
> just grabbed #31 which I agree is quite nice, but I don't find it > entirely convincing either. I think the horns are too "tamed" although > I think Harnoncourt OTOH, while I like the brassy sound of the horns a > lot, really overdoes it a little here, and also in the stomping > heaviness of some of the accents in the string playing, in particular > in the last movement. At least both have a cello and a double bass > solo in the last movement instead of two cello solos as it incorrectly > appears in the older editions of the score.
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