"Giusi" <decob...@gmail.com> wrote: > "Omelet" ha scritto nel messaggio > > Stu <reci...@foodforu.ca> wrote:
> >> Had the seasonal flu shot last week. > >> Going to get the H1N1 shot tonight, any of you getting it?>> If not why.
> > No I'm not. I don't need a dose of thimerosal.
Om has decided not to get the shot. She never does. The thimerosal is just an excuse. Not all the H1N1 vaccine is preserved with thimerosal. Of course, it's hard enough to get anything, to specify which one you want makes it that much harder.
> I thought you worked in the healthcare field? You would have to have the > shot to work in the EU, as I understand it.
Om works in the lab, at night.
> You are catching a full day > before you know you have the flu and you could infect and possibly kill a > bunch of people that day.
Om works in a hospital. Generally the lab workers don't take the samples, someone doing patient care does. The samples come in, and the results probably mostly go out on the computer. You can't get the flu from another computer. :=)
> Italian authorities are continually talking down this flu. While they are > doing that, one to two people per day are dying in Campania. No one seems > to know why there. They accentuate heavily whenever it is someone with > serious underlying problems, but they can't hide that many are perfectly > healthy young people.
That's too bad. I don't know if things are a lot better in the US. There was somebody on the tv news whining on and on about some poor kid dying in the hospital. If they had only had the shot, maybe they wouldn't have spent the last four months in the hospital on the edge of death. Hello? How many shots were available four months ago?
-- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA da...@sonic.net
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:05:27 -0600, Omelet <ompome...@gmail.com> wrote:
-->In article --><dabel-3E3B0E.17482605112...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, --> Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote: --> -->> In article <4af37525$0$1590$9a6e1...@news.newshosting.com>, -->> Dave Smith <adavid.sm...@sympatico.ca> wrote: -->> -->> > Dan Abel wrote: -->> > > In article <ZYCdnbMlus6N_27XnZ2dnUVZ_qSdn...@giganews.com>, -->> > > "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote: -->> > > -->> > >> "Dan Abel" <da...@sonic.net> wrote in message -->> > >>>> I'm too old to be considered valuable to this society and worthy of a -->> > >>>> shot. -->> > >>> They probably won't give you prostate tests, either. -->> > >>> -->> > >> Do you think she'd pass it? -->> > > -->> > > I have no clue. I know nothing about how the test works. -->> > > -->> > It's a finger up the ass. Apparently 10% of the male population enjoys it. -->> -->> Sorry, I was thinking of the blood test. --> -->PSA. Prostatic Specific Antigen. --> -->Only problem with those is that they are not 100% indicative.
They also have the non antigen shot available if you'd rather have it, alot of pregnant women were getting that last night
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:36:30 -0800 (PST), --Bryan <class...@brick.net> wrote:
-->On Nov 5, 8:11 pm, Janet Wilder <kelliepoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
-->> Stu wrote:
-->> > Had the seasonal flu shot last week. -->> > Going to get the H1N1 shot tonight, any of you getting it? -->> > If not why. -->> -->> My doctor doesn't believe in it. --> -->Then your doctor is a quack. -->> -->> -- -->> Janet Wilder --> -->--Bryan
sf wrote: > Actually, us old people were given the chance to get ill when we were > young and have enough antibodies.
This is so true. :-) I am not in a hurry to get the vaccine, I had the flu in September but I have no idea what kind it was. I have not had the flu since 1986, which is amazing because I saw many, many people at work every day (I used gloves, which helps). I wash my hands often and I never touch my eyes, nose or mouth during the day. I was just stunned that I caught the flu - and so early, in the month of September. That was quite a surprise for me.
Stu <reci...@foodforu.ca> wrote: > On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:05:27 -0600, Omelet <ompome...@gmail.com> wrote:
> -->In article > --><dabel-3E3B0E.17482605112...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, > --> Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote: > --> > -->> In article <4af37525$0$1590$9a6e1...@news.newshosting.com>, > -->> Dave Smith <adavid.sm...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > -->> > It's a finger up the ass. Apparently 10% of the male population enjoys > it. > -->> > -->> Sorry, I was thinking of the blood test. > --> > -->PSA. Prostatic Specific Antigen. > --> > -->Only problem with those is that they are not 100% indicative.
> They also have the non antigen shot available if you'd rather have it, alot > of > pregnant women were getting that last night
Tell me it's not true. Pregnant women getting prostate tests, in a flu clinic? There's something seriously wrong with Canadian medicine.
The blood test or the finger test? Seems like it wouldn't take too many finger tests and somebody would realize there was something wrong here. Something missing. Like the prostate itself.
-- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA da...@sonic.net
> In article <1am8f558uvj4j8tp9jq5iit1uaofep1...@4ax.com>,
> Stu <reci...@foodforu.ca> wrote: > > On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:05:27 -0600, Omelet <ompome...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > -->In article > > --><dabel-3E3B0E.17482605112...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, > > --> Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote: > > --> > > -->> In article <4af37525$0$1590$9a6e1...@news.newshosting.com>, > > -->> Dave Smith <adavid.sm...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > -->> > It's a finger up the ass. Apparently 10% of the male population enjoys > > it. > > -->> > > -->> Sorry, I was thinking of the blood test. > > --> > > -->PSA. Prostatic Specific Antigen. > > --> > > -->Only problem with those is that they are not 100% indicative.
> > They also have the non antigen shot available if you'd rather have it, alot > > of > > pregnant women were getting that last night
> Tell me it's not true. Pregnant women getting prostate tests, in a flu > clinic? There's something seriously wrong with Canadian medicine.
> The blood test or the finger test? Seems like it wouldn't take too many > finger tests and somebody would realize there was something wrong here. > Something missing. Like the prostate itself.
> never touch my eyes, nose or mouth during the day. snip
> Becca
That is truly remarkable. I just saw the results of a study regarding face touching by humans and apes. Apparently it is practically inborn to do so and to do so hundreds of times daily. That you were able to train yourself to resist is interesting. Janet
--> -->> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:05:27 -0600, Omelet <ompome...@gmail.com> wrote: -->> -->> -->In article -->> --><dabel-3E3B0E.17482605112...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, -->> --> Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote: -->> --> -->> -->> In article <4af37525$0$1590$9a6e1...@news.newshosting.com>, -->> -->> Dave Smith <adavid.sm...@sympatico.ca> wrote: --> -->> -->> > It's a finger up the ass. Apparently 10% of the male population enjoys -->> it. -->> -->> -->> -->> Sorry, I was thinking of the blood test. -->> --> -->> -->PSA. Prostatic Specific Antigen. -->> --> -->> -->Only problem with those is that they are not 100% indicative. -->> -->> They also have the non antigen shot available if you'd rather have it, alot -->> of -->> pregnant women were getting that last night --> -->Tell me it's not true. Pregnant women getting prostate tests, in a flu -->clinic? There's something seriously wrong with Canadian medicine.
What's true, that you're nuts? Considering your posts I'd believe so.
btw... many Americans would be dead right now if it wasn't for Canadian medicine and research.
In article <61f5969d-886a-423d-b20e-d0de6f1c9...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com>,
--Bryan <class...@brick.net> wrote: > On Nov 6, 6:46 am, Omelet <ompome...@gmail.com> wrote: > > In article > > <2cc2066f-8e8c-45fa-904b-5edea4f1f...@k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> > --Bryan <class...@brick.net> wrote: > > > They don't waste time on typing each individual since sampling > > > indicates that nearly every case is H1N1.
In article <dabel-34A075.08460006112...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote:
> Om works in a hospital. Generally the lab workers don't take the > samples, someone doing patient care does. The samples come in, and the > results probably mostly go out on the computer. You can't get the flu > from another computer. :=)
True. Our phlebotomy team gets most of the patient contact, altho' I DO fill in if one of them cannot get a blood sample, or I'll go to the ER if our phlebotomy team is too busy to go, but overall my contact is limited. I don't feel I need to waste a shot. ;-)
Most of the blood draws I do are DUI prisoners the police bring in for blood alcohol levels. Since I'm the night shift supervisor, I get tapped for that delightful duty.
It's not so bad. I treat them like I do any other patients. With patience and compassion. That attitude nets you better cooperation, especially with the "forced" warrant draws. -- Peace! Om
"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." --Steve Rothstein
Omelet wrote: > Most of the blood draws I do are DUI prisoners the police bring in for > blood alcohol levels. Since I'm the night shift supervisor, I get tapped > for that delightful duty.
> It's not so bad. I treat them like I do any other patients. With > patience and compassion. That attitude nets you better cooperation, > especially with the "forced" warrant draws.
I'm curious- are you signing the chain of custody documents for those tubes? Do they subpoena an unlicensed lab tech to go in to court when the cases come up and you have to defend your method of venipuncture, etc. I'm aware of only licensed staff drawing legal BAL's.
> > Most of the blood draws I do are DUI prisoners the police bring in for > > blood alcohol levels. Since I'm the night shift supervisor, I get tapped > > for that delightful duty.
> > It's not so bad. I treat them like I do any other patients. With > > patience and compassion. That attitude nets you better cooperation, > > especially with the "forced" warrant draws.
> I'm curious- are you signing the chain of custody documents for those > tubes?
Yes. And the affidavit for the warrant draws.
> Do they subpoena an unlicensed lab tech to go in to court when > the cases come up and you have to defend your method of venipuncture,
Who says I'm not certified? I'm an MT (ASCP). 4 year BS-MT degree.
Licensing for lab workers is only required in California, Hawaii, Florida and New York. National certification is preferred, but not required everywhere else. It depends on the hospital. ASCP certified techs usually get preference for hiring.
> etc. I'm aware of only licensed staff drawing legal BAL's.
It's hospital policy. Has to be either an RN or an MT. MLT's or Phlebotomists cannot do it, but that's not true in all hospitals either. Some of the hospitals in San Antonio allow certified phlebotomists to do the legal blood draws. They also have them do all the legal drug screens for post accident protocols. Our Phlebotomy team here also does all the COC (Chain of Custody) post accident urine drug screens.
Just shows you don't know everything you thought you did about hospital labs eh dear? ;-)
I've been doing this for years. -- Peace! Om
"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." --Steve Rothstein
> Priority is going to children, because they are dying from it and adults > aren't as badly affected. Besides, my HMO ran out and is waiting for > more.
Children are the most vulnerable to this one. And, the virus isn't taking to the eggs as readily as the seasonal virus, so it might not be until December until there's enough for everyone. Maybe later.
> sf wrote: >> Actually, us old people were given the chance to get ill when we were >> young and have enough antibodies.
> This is so true. :-) I am not in a hurry to get the vaccine, I had the > flu in September but I have no idea what kind it was. I have not had the > flu since 1986, which is amazing because I saw many, many people at work > every day (I used gloves, which helps). I wash my hands often and I never > touch my eyes, nose or mouth during the day. I was just stunned that I > caught the flu - and so early, in the month of September. That was quite > a surprise for me.
Sounds very swineish to me. I'm glad you are better now.
>> never touch my eyes, nose or mouth during the day.
> snip
>> Becca
> That is truly remarkable. I just saw the results of a study regarding face > touching by humans and apes. Apparently it is practically inborn to do so > and to do so hundreds of times daily. That you were able to train yourself > to resist is interesting. > Janet
My mother used successful training techniques. She is a petite woman with 22" arms, but she could somehow reach all the way across a room to swat you if you were touching your face. lol We were allowed to use facial tissues, though. It became much easier, once I began wearing makeup.
She was a nurse and she took the time to explain things to us, even when we were young. There was no room for error, though. Once she told you, she expected you to remember it.
--Bryan <class...@brick.net> wrote: >On Nov 5, 8:11 pm, Janet Wilder <kelliepoo...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Stu wrote: >> > Had the seasonal flu shot last week. >> > Going to get the H1N1 shot tonight, any of you getting it? >> > If not why. >> My doctor doesn't believe in it. >Then your doctor is a quack.
Or an obedient public servant, channeling the limited supply of the stuff to allegedly needier patient categories.
Omelet <ompome...@gmail.com> wrote: > --Bryan <class...@brick.net> wrote: >> They don't waste time on typing each individual since sampling >> indicates that nearly every case is H1N1. >Cite please.
I don't have a cite, but I recall the New York Times reporting that almost all influenza this past summer in New York City was H1N1.
But that is changing during the winter, as seasonal flu rises up.
>>> > Had the seasonal flu shot last week. >>> > Going to get the H1N1 shot tonight, any of you getting it? >>> > If not why.
I probably won't be getting it as I am in the third tier for receiving the shot. Over 65. I do have some underlying health concerns - asthma mainly - but not bad. In this area, right now, the H1N1 vaccine is in short supply and those with the most danger - pregnant women, children 6 months to 24 years, and those who care for them - can't even get the shots. There has been a planned clinic cancelled not only because of the short supply but because staff were threatened if 'my child' doesn't get the shot.
I did get the seaosnal flu shot - and for the first time in all the years I have gotten it - had a severe reaction.
Also there has been some evidence that those over 65 seem to have some built in immunity (probably because of exposure to all the various strains of the flu over the years) and also even more that those who received the vaccine in the previous 'swine' flu scare (1970's) also show some immunity. (I fit both catagories)
Have heard it reported that the seasonal flu fatalities are 90% those over 65 and the H1N1 fatalities are 90% those under 24.
JonquilJan
Learn something new every day As long as you are learning, you are living When you stop learning, you start dying
Same here. At first I wouldn't get it. No way. New. Not tested. But the more I research it, the more I realize it is no different than the seasonal flu shot, which I do get.
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