An announcement yesterday (full story here: http://tiny.cc/PiWda ) shows that the high cost of unionized agricultural workers in the US can not compete with pineapple raised in 3rd world countries.
> An announcement yesterday (full story here: http://tiny.cc/PiWda ) > shows that the high cost of unionized agricultural workers in the US > can not compete with pineapple raised in 3rd world countries.
> aloha, > Cea
I remember the pineapple crop was grown on Lanai, across the channel from Maui.
pure kona wrote: > An announcement yesterday (full story here: http://tiny.cc/PiWda ) > shows that the high cost of unionized agricultural workers in the US > can not compete with pineapple raised in 3rd world countries.
> aloha, > Cea
Are we just crazy? Who wants to depend on other countries for everything?
On 2009-11-04, pure kona <k...@smithfarms.com> wrote:
> An announcement yesterday (full story here: http://tiny.cc/PiWda ) > shows that the high cost of unionized agricultural workers in the US > can not compete with pineapple raised in 3rd world countries.
Having experienced decades of crappy unripe whole pineapples from everywhere, even Hawaii, I couldn't care less. I've had true ripe pineapple from HI, once. It was taken straight from the field and transported via USAF cargo plane to our front door. Unbelievable!! I have no idea what those bitter lumps of crap offered at even the very best markets on the West Coast are, but it's not even in the same parallel universe as that sublime orgasmic fruit I tasted nearly 40 yrs ago.
>> An announcement yesterday (full story here: http://tiny.cc/PiWda ) >> shows that the high cost of unionized agricultural workers in the US >> can not compete with pineapple raised in 3rd world countries.
>> aloha, >> Cea
>I remember the pineapple crop was grown on Lanai, across the channel from >Maui.
>Maui is sugar cane!
The server is being maintained right now, so I can't read the story, but Maui had a big pineapple plantation the last time I was there.
-- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:47:30 -0500, "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote: >pure kona wrote: >> An announcement yesterday (full story here: http://tiny.cc/PiWda ) >> shows that the high cost of unionized agricultural workers in the US >> can not compete with pineapple raised in 3rd world countries.
>> aloha, >> Cea
>Are we just crazy? Who wants to depend on other countries for >everything?
*We* aren't crazy and we have nothing to do with it. The mega corporations who ultimately own the smaller facilities have tentacles all over the world. It's just a big game of chess for them with profit as the goal.
-- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
pure kona wrote: > An announcement yesterday (full story here: http://tiny.cc/PiWda ) > shows that the high cost of unionized agricultural workers in the US > can not compete with pineapple raised in 3rd world countries.
>>> An announcement yesterday (full story here: http://tiny.cc/PiWda ) >>> shows that the high cost of unionized agricultural workers in the US >>> can not compete with pineapple raised in 3rd world countries.
>>> aloha, >>> Cea
>>I remember the pineapple crop was grown on Lanai, across the channel >>from Maui.
>>Maui is sugar cane!
> The server is being maintained right now, so I can't read the story, > but Maui had a big pineapple plantation the last time I was there.
sf,
Nope.
Vacationing there a month of the year, for years, the Dole company had the pineapple plant on Lanai.
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:10:43 -0600, Andy <a...@b.c> wrote: >Nope.
>Vacationing there a month of the year, for years, the Dole company had >the pineapple plant on Lanai.
>Andy
Maui Land and Pine was a huge operation on Maui. Try and read the article. Lanai certainly did have pineapples, but we're talking about Maui as in *Maui Land and Pine* well known, 100 year old company. It is a big deal.
> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:10:43 -0600, Andy <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>Nope.
>>Vacationing there a month of the year, for years, the Dole company had >>the pineapple plant on Lanai.
>>Andy
> Maui Land and Pine was a huge operation on Maui. Try and read the > article. Lanai certainly did have pineapples, but we're talking about > Maui as in *Maui Land and Pine* well known, 100 year old company. It > is a big deal.
> aloha, > Cea
While we couldn't navigate the whole island of Maui, I only saw sugar cane fields.
>While we couldn't navigate the whole island of Maui, I only saw sugar >cane fields.
>Maybe times have changed since 1983.
>Andy
Hard to convince you Andy indeed, but I moved to Haliimaile- upcountry Maui, in 1974 and lived in the midst of a pineapple field. You are correct---on the flat land of Maui is a huge sugar plantation- apparently the last in the State- Hawaiian Commercial & Sugar. Out past Lahaina, in Honolua/Kapalua there are also acres of pineapple. Guessed you missed them. Of course pineapple is a low growing plant while sugar cane is a tall grass that waves in the wind.
>>While we couldn't navigate the whole island of Maui, I only saw sugar >>cane fields.
>>Maybe times have changed since 1983.
>>Andy
> Hard to convince you Andy indeed, but I moved to Haliimaile- upcountry > Maui, in 1974 and lived in the midst of a pineapple field. You are > correct---on the flat land of Maui is a huge sugar plantation- > apparently the last in the State- Hawaiian Commercial & Sugar. Out > past Lahaina, in Honolua/Kapalua there are also acres of pineapple. > Guessed you missed them. Of course pineapple is a low growing plant > while sugar cane is a tall grass that waves in the wind.
> aloha, > Cea
Cea,
All my time in the Hawaiian islands, Maui especially, I never saw pineapple plantations. Tour guides mention Lanai ans the industrial pineapple plantation of Dole. Never visited.
BTW, I'm responsible for beginning Kilauea's erruption. Filled an airplane rum bottle with black sand from Black Sand Beach on the southern tip of Hawaii.
We flew out of Kona a day later as the volcano began. I have the bottle of black sand lava I wasn't allowed to take on a shelf in my office and have been meening to return it to appease Pele.
>BTW, I'm responsible for beginning Kilauea's erruption. Filled an airplane >rum bottle with black sand from Black Sand Beach on the southern tip of >Hawaii.
>We flew out of Kona a day later as the volcano began. I have the bottle of >black sand lava I wasn't allowed to take on a shelf in my office and have >been meening to return it to appease Pele.
>Andy
I was living in Pahala in 1982 when that eternal volcano went off- oh that is about 30 miles south of Volcano. Don't worry if I thought your putting back the black sand would stop the volcano, I'd come and get if from you, after your breakfast off course:). Lots more black sand available now- hahaha
27 years of the Volcano. Kind of neat to be making new land and kind of not neat when the vog settles in our valley.
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:25:36 -0600, Andy <a...@b.c> wrote: >All my time in the Hawaiian islands, Maui especially, I never saw pineapple >plantations.
You probably didn't go past it, although I'm surprised considering your line of work. Go to Google. Enter - map: "Maui Pineapple Company Ltd" or "Maui pineapple plantation" see what turns up. Zoom out and you will see it's on the coast between the West Maui forest reserve and the Kahului airport.
-- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:05:09 -1000, pure kona <k...@smithfarms.com> wrote: >An announcement yesterday (full story here: http://tiny.cc/PiWda ) >shows that the high cost of unionized agricultural workers in the US >can not compete with pineapple raised in 3rd world countries.
>aloha, >Cea
Why the hell do you think all the manufacturing jobs have been moved out of America? Nothing made in a unionized society can compete with a society where workers are paid pennies an hour. Corporations have been moving jobs out of america for decades, now our politicians are saying that we're moving to a service oriented economy. Right! We're going to be servants to those who are major stockholders in corporate america.
You think I'm crazy? Wait for it, if you don't see it your children will. You may not have heard it here first, but you heard it here.
<ljlame...@acd.net> wrote: >On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:05:09 -1000, pure kona <k...@smithfarms.com> wrote:
>>An announcement yesterday (full story here: http://tiny.cc/PiWda ) >>shows that the high cost of unionized agricultural workers in the US >>can not compete with pineapple raised in 3rd world countries.
>>aloha, >>Cea >Why the hell do you think all the manufacturing jobs have been moved out of America? >Nothing made in a unionized society can compete with a society where workers are paid >pennies an hour. Corporations have been moving jobs out of america for decades, now >our politicians are saying that we're moving to a service oriented economy. Right! >We're going to be servants to those who are major stockholders in corporate america.
>You think I'm crazy? Wait for it, if you don't see it your children will. You may not >have heard it here first, but you heard it here.
Where do you picture yourself in the hierarchy if we get rid of all unions and wages go back to below poverty level? Are you at the top looking down at the little people or at the bottom doing the real work?
-- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
In article <ogs5f51p2ca70d2egphql6iodqo8q36...@4ax.com>, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
> Where do you picture yourself in the hierarchy if we get rid of all > unions and wages go back to below poverty level? Are you at the top > looking down at the little people or at the bottom doing the real > work?
I'd like to be outside of the hierarchy altogether and grow, raise produce as much as I can on my own. Then use barter to get most everything else. Whatever we need to get beyond that we'd get from selling some of the things we made and using that money. As long as we're dreaming of a different world than what we have.
Regards, Ranee @ Arabian Knits
"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13
> In article <ogs5f51p2ca70d2egphql6iodqo8q36...@4ax.com>, > sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>> Where do you picture yourself in the hierarchy if we get rid of all >> unions and wages go back to below poverty level? Are you at the top >> looking down at the little people or at the bottom doing the real >> work?
> I'd like to be outside of the hierarchy altogether and grow, raise > produce as much as I can on my own. Then use barter to get most > everything else. Whatever we need to get beyond that we'd get from > selling some of the things we made and using that money. As long as > we're dreaming of a different world than what we have.
Sounds good for food or small items but what do you do when you need a car? College tuition? A house? Medical care? Your local merchant might take homemade or homegrown as barter, but you can bet Nordstrom or Target or Home Depot won't. You can make your clothes and clothes for the children but you still need to buy the fabric and thread unless you plan to spin and weave flax or wool or grow cotton.
Your skills are admirable but how will you keep your sons and daughters from being attracted to the outside world?
> You can make your clothes and clothes for the children but you > still need to buy the fabric and thread unless you plan to > spin and weave flax or wool or grow cotton.
Have you never noticed Ranee's signature?
"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands."
>> You can make your clothes and clothes for the children but you still >> need to buy the fabric and thread unless you plan to >> spin and weave flax or wool or grow cotton.
> Have you never noticed Ranee's signature?
> "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands."
> Bob
I've known Ranee (and her sig.) online for over 15 years and I know she is a wonder.
One woman can't do it all, Bob, regardless how willing.
"gloria.p" <gpues...@comcast.net> wrote: > Bob Terwilliger wrote: > > Gloria replied to Ranee:
> >> You can make your clothes and clothes for the children but you still > >> need to buy the fabric and thread unless you plan to > >> spin and weave flax or wool or grow cotton.
> > Have you never noticed Ranee's signature?
> > "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands."
> > Bob
> I've known Ranee (and her sig.) online for over 15 years > and I know she is a wonder.
> One woman can't do it all, Bob, regardless how willing.
> gloria p
I think you missed her last sentence which began "as long as we are dreaming of a different world..."
>> >> You can make your clothes and clothes for the children but you still >> >> need to buy the fabric and thread unless you plan to >> >> spin and weave flax or wool or grow cotton.
>> > Have you never noticed Ranee's signature?
>> > "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands."
>> I've known Ranee (and her sig.) online for over 15 years >> and I know she is a wonder.
>> One woman can't do it all, Bob, regardless how willing.
>I think you missed her last sentence which began "as long as we are >dreaming of a different world..."
>Many of us would love to live in a simpler time.
>marcella
You mean pre PC, pre TV, and pre sanitary napkins... I bet you wouldn't.
brooklyn1 wrote: > On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:42:01 -0800, Marcella Peek > <marce...@extra.peek.org> wrote:
>> In article <hcvrng$sv...@news.eternal-september.org>, >> "gloria.p" <gpues...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Gloria replied to Ranee:
>>>>> You can make your clothes and clothes for the children but you >>>>> still need to buy the fabric and thread unless you plan to >>>>> spin and weave flax or wool or grow cotton.
>>>> Have you never noticed Ranee's signature?
>>>> "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands."
>>> I've known Ranee (and her sig.) online for over 15 years >>> and I know she is a wonder.
>>> One woman can't do it all, Bob, regardless how willing.
>> I think you missed her last sentence which began "as long as we are >> dreaming of a different world..."
>> Many of us would love to live in a simpler time.
>> marcella
> You mean pre PC, pre TV, and pre sanitary napkins... I bet you > wouldn't.
Remember years ago there was series of books entitled something like, _The Good Old Days - They Were Terrible!_...they pretty much were, today's world is a *great* world in which to live.
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:42:01 -0800, Marcella Peek >> <marce...@extra.peek.org> wrote:
>>> In article <hcvrng$sv...@news.eternal-september.org>, >>> "gloria.p" <gpues...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> Gloria replied to Ranee:
>>>>>> You can make your clothes and clothes for the children but you >>>>>> still need to buy the fabric and thread unless you plan to >>>>>> spin and weave flax or wool or grow cotton.
>>>>> Have you never noticed Ranee's signature?
>>>>> "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands."
>>>> I've known Ranee (and her sig.) online for over 15 years >>>> and I know she is a wonder.
>>>> One woman can't do it all, Bob, regardless how willing.
>>> I think you missed her last sentence which began "as long as we are >>> dreaming of a different world..."
>>> Many of us would love to live in a simpler time.
>>> marcella
>> You mean pre PC, pre TV, and pre sanitary napkins... I bet you >> wouldn't.
>Remember years ago there was series of books entitled something like, _The >Good Old Days - They Were Terrible!_...they pretty much were, today's world >is a *great* world in which to live.
Absolutely. These youngsters haven't a clue... I wonder how many gals remember scrubbing laundry by hand on a board in the kitchen deep sink, drawing fake stocking seams on the backs of each other's calfs with a fountain pen because all the silk went to make parachutes for the troops. And how many remember their mom and their Aunts tearing old linen bed sheets into strips and having to launder and hang them on lines in the terlit to dry each night for their feminine hygiene... in the good olde days most wimmens preferred to stay preggo.
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