> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:29:05 -0500, "Nancy Young" > <rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>PeterL wrote:
>>> Here, if you want to see an ortho, you go to your local GP and say, >>> "Give me a referral to such-and-such Specialist."
>>It all depends on your insurance. If I want to go see an ortho, >>I make an appointment and go.
> In a lot of cases, you need an initial referral but once you have that > you don't need any other referrals. In any case, I don't pretend to > know more than the doctor and demand to see specialists... yet.
I know what my GP/MD can, and can't do. If he can't do it, I ask for a referral to someone who can.
-- Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia
If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
> The specific locations of mine are not life threatening although if the > lower back shifts, they can be. The neck set is below the area that > can remove ability to breathe etc. I could lose full use of one or both > arms(doubtful but is possible), but not loss of life.
Bugger :-(
Did you have a fall?
Service related, I presume?
> Grin, mostly it is just painful. Quality of life impact.
Looks like we're on the same boat :-)
-- Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia
If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
> PeterL wrote: >> "Nancy Young" <rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote in >> news:yErIm.25613$tF5.21803 @newsfe25.ams2:
>>> PeterL wrote: >>>> "cshenk" <cshe...@cox.net> wrote
>>>> Here, if you want to see an ortho, you go to your local GP and say, >>>> "Give me a referral to such-and-such Specialist."
>>> It all depends on your insurance. If I want to go see an ortho, >>> I make an appointment and go.
>> No need to get a referral from your GP?
> No.
Cool!! Unfortunately, even with full cover private health insurance here, you have to see a GP first to get a referral to a specialist.
And it's only valid for 12 months, so even if your treatment with the specialist is ongoing and goes over the initial 12 months, you have to go back and get another referral once the initial 12 months is up.
Yes, it's silly.
-- Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia
If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
sf wrote: > On 5 Nov 2009 09:52:20 GMT, "Ravenlynne" <ravenly...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > George Shirley wrote:
> >> Louisiana, home of the crooked politicians, Chicago can't hold a > >> candle to us. If you don't believe that, take a look at how many of > >> our politicians are in the federal slammer.
> > Which high school was it that had their Valedictorian fail the > > graduation exam? I know it was somewhere in New Orleans...
> > -Gina, who went to one of the more academically oriented schools in > > New Orleans.
> Are you saying s/he did it on purpose?
No idea, I just remember the story making the news...the student had a 2.5 gpa and simply failed it. Schools are REALLY bad there. There's actually a department of defense school on the navy base there because people refuse to take orders when they have kids because of the schools.
PeterL <P...@brissie.aus> wrote: > sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote in news:o8r4f55lvs0e3tcrckhecdksff1tv2rgfl@ > 4ax.com:
> > On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:29:05 -0500, "Nancy Young" > > <rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>PeterL wrote:
> >>> Here, if you want to see an ortho, you go to your local GP and say, > >>> "Give me a referral to such-and-such Specialist."
> >>It all depends on your insurance. If I want to go see an ortho, > >>I make an appointment and go.
> > In a lot of cases, you need an initial referral but once you have that > > you don't need any other referrals. In any case, I don't pretend to > > know more than the doctor and demand to see specialists... yet.
> I know what my GP/MD can, and can't do. If he can't do it, I ask for a > referral to someone who can.
I don't need a referral for any specialist. Not even a surgeon. -- Peace! Om
"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." --Steve Rothstein
> In article <Xns9CBB965BBC71EPeterhomeinbris...@61.9.191.5>, > PeterL <P...@brissie.aus> wrote:
>> sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote in news:o8r4f55lvs0e3tcrckhecdksff1tv2rgfl@ >> 4ax.com:
>> > On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:29:05 -0500, "Nancy Young" >> > <rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >>PeterL wrote:
>> >>> Here, if you want to see an ortho, you go to your local GP and say, >> >>> "Give me a referral to such-and-such Specialist."
>> >>It all depends on your insurance. If I want to go see an ortho, >> >>I make an appointment and go.
>> > In a lot of cases, you need an initial referral but once you have that >> > you don't need any other referrals. In any case, I don't pretend to >> > know more than the doctor and demand to see specialists... yet.
>> I know what my GP/MD can, and can't do. If he can't do it, I ask for a >> referral to someone who can.
> I don't need a referral for any specialist. Not even a surgeon.
Well, at least you have *one* good thing going for your medical system....... or is that a State by State thing?
-- Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia
If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
PeterL wrote: > "Nancy Young" <rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote in news:yErIm.25613$tF5.21803 >> It all depends on your insurance. If I want to go see an ortho, >> I make an appointment and go.
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:28:14 -0500, Goomba wrote: > sf wrote: >> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:01:32 -0500, "cshenk" <cshe...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> Sure, and so am I. But fact is in quite a few cases, they don't because >>> although they make enough for the plan their employer has, they 'opt' to not >>> take it. I know that isnt the case for the self employed, out of work >>> person, or temp staff, or part time worker.
>> I haven't heard of one person who voluntarily opted out of health >> coverage offered by an employer. Maybe it's different in the south, >> but not here.
blake murphy wrote: >>> I haven't heard of one person who voluntarily opted out of health >>> coverage offered by an employer. Maybe it's different in the south, >>> but not here.
Nancy Young wrote: > PeterL wrote: > >"Nancy Young" <rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote in > > news:yErIm.25613$tF5.21803 @newsfe25.ams2:
> > > PeterL wrote: > >>>"cshenk" <cshe...@cox.net> wrote
> > > > Here, if you want to see an ortho, you go to your local GP and > > > > say, "Give me a referral to such-and-such Specialist."
> > > It all depends on your insurance. If I want to go see an ortho, > > > I make an appointment and go.
> > No need to get a referral from your GP?
> No.
We have self-referral as well. Handy in cases where you know what you need. When I had an ingrown toenail (ouch, by the way) I went straight to the podiatrist.
Brian
-- Day 277 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project
blake murphy wrote: > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:43:38 -0500, Goomba wrote:
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>> this is utter bullshit. try getting cancer treatment at your ER. >>> guaranteed treatment for trauma is not 'health care coverage.'
>>> your pal, >>> blake >> FYI- in countries with nationalized care cancer treatments aren't >> assured either.
> this is more utter bullshit. really, goomba, you should know better. you > don't even bother to provide some bullshit cite.
> blake
Hardly bullshit, Blake. I've lived in places with nationalized health care. I know how the GP's can limit access to specialists. I know how care gets rationed based on age or other discriminators. It isn't uncommon to read about people suing the NHS for drugs that they refuse to provide.... you can find stories easily enough.
In article <Xns9CBCAFA92572Peterhomeinbris...@61.9.191.5>,
PeterL <P...@brissie.aus> wrote: > >> I know what my GP/MD can, and can't do. If he can't do it, I ask for a > >> referral to someone who can.
> > I don't need a referral for any specialist. Not even a surgeon.
> Well, at least you have *one* good thing going for your medical > system....... or is that a State by State thing?
> -- > Peter Lucas
I think it depends on the insurance company. ;-) I DID need a referral for physical therapy, but my Ortho' recommended it (and wrote an undated 'scrip for it for me ) long before I took him up on it. I started PT at Advanced Rehabilitation in Austin about 3 weeks ago.
GREAT place, awesome people, and they teach and practice trigger point therapy. I was already pretty sure that trigger points was what was causing the chronic right lower leg pain and since even self-therapy for that is working to control the pain, I have to presume I was right... -- Peace! Om
"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." --Steve Rothstein
In article <60q4f5lg3a2jluien0m02tbrqobi8bc...@4ax.com>, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:01:32 -0500, "cshenk" <cshe...@cox.net> wrote:
> >Sure, and so am I. But fact is in quite a few cases, they don't because > >although they make enough for the plan their employer has, they 'opt' to not > >take it. I know that isnt the case for the self employed, out of work > >person, or temp staff, or part time worker.
> I haven't heard of one person who voluntarily opted out of health > coverage offered by an employer. Maybe it's different in the south, > but not here.
It doesn't really count, but for couples with double coverage, often one will opt out.
-- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA da...@sonic.net
> On 5 Nov 2009 09:52:20 GMT, "Ravenlynne" <ravenly...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >George Shirley wrote:
> >> Louisiana, home of the crooked politicians, Chicago can't hold a > >> candle to us. If you don't believe that, take a look at how many of > >> our politicians are in the federal slammer.
> >Which high school was it that had their Valedictorian fail the > >graduation exam? I know it was somewhere in New Orleans...
> >-Gina, who went to one of the more academically oriented schools in New > >Orleans.
> Are you saying s/he did it on purpose?
P O L I T I C I A N S
It's very difficult to get into UC Berkeley, to make this local. You have to have really high grades or really good SAT scores, or both...
or a close relative in the legislature.
How did George Bush II get through Yale?
-- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA da...@sonic.net
In article <Xns9CBC1379B7951Peterhomeinbris...@61.9.191.5>,
PeterL <P...@brissie.aus> wrote: > Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net> wrote in news:7litg5F3aeqa8U1 > @mid.individual.net:
> > PeterL wrote: > >> "Nancy Young" <rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote in news:yErIm.25613$tF5.21803
> >>> It all depends on your insurance. If I want to go see an ortho, > >>> I make an appointment and go. > >> No need to get a referral from your GP?
> > Nope. > Ahhh well.... your system sucks in some ways, and ours suck in others :-)
Except we don't have *a* system in the US. I have to get a referral for *everything*. I belong to an HMO. I don't mind it. Who am *I* to know what I need? I got one referral from a regular eye doctor about 15 years ago. No renewals. I just keep seeing the specialist, now every six months. Some referrals have time limits, generally if you go outside the system.
-- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA da...@sonic.net
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:46:07 -0500, Goomba wrote: > blake murphy wrote:
>>>> I haven't heard of one person who voluntarily opted out of health >>>> coverage offered by an employer. Maybe it's different in the south, >>>> but not here.
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:10:29 -0500, Goomba wrote: > blake murphy wrote: >> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:43:38 -0500, Goomba wrote:
>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>> this is utter bullshit. try getting cancer treatment at your ER. >>>> guaranteed treatment for trauma is not 'health care coverage.'
>>>> your pal, >>>> blake >>> FYI- in countries with nationalized care cancer treatments aren't >>> assured either.
>> this is more utter bullshit. really, goomba, you should know better. you >> don't even bother to provide some bullshit cite.
>> blake
> Hardly bullshit, Blake. I've lived in places with nationalized health > care. I know how the GP's can limit access to specialists. I know how > care gets rationed based on age or other discriminators. It isn't > uncommon to read about people suing the NHS for drugs that they refuse > to provide.... you can find stories easily enough.
the *daily mail* is generally recognized as a right-wing rag.
but even so, nothing being proposed in the u.s. is like the national health service in britain (where doctors and health care workers work directly for the government, and is seriously underfunded to boot).
but it's irrelevant. *much* more serious 'rationing' occurs in the u.s. every fucking day courtesy of the for-profit insurance companies. and if you don't have insurance - well, you don't get cancer drugs even if they are cheap if you don't have the money.
blake murphy wrote: > On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:46:07 -0500, Goomba wrote:
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>>> I haven't heard of one person who voluntarily opted out of health >>>>> coverage offered by an employer. Maybe it's different in the south, >>>>> but not here.
>>> blake >> No one said that. I think it showed sf that people outside of the south >> choose to go without health care insurance too.
> well, then, what's your point?
> blake
Please re-read sf's quote above: "I haven't heard of one person who voluntarily opted out of health coverage offered by an employer. Maybe it's different in the south, but not here." To which I showed a citation by a California HMO which shows it happens *everywhere*, not just "in the south" as sf suggests.
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:43:17 -0500, Goomba wrote: > blake murphy wrote: >> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:46:07 -0500, Goomba wrote:
>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>>>> I haven't heard of one person who voluntarily opted out of health >>>>>> coverage offered by an employer. Maybe it's different in the south, >>>>>> but not here.
>>>> blake >>> No one said that. I think it showed sf that people outside of the south >>> choose to go without health care insurance too.
>> well, then, what's your point?
>> blake
> Please re-read sf's quote above: "I haven't heard of one person who > voluntarily opted out of health coverage offered by an employer. Maybe > it's different in the south, but not here." > To which I showed a citation by a California HMO which shows it happens > *everywhere*, not just "in the south" as sf suggests.
o.k., more than one person opted out of coverage. what's the larger point?
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