>>>It would be nigh onto impossible to make the transition in >>>this>>country to a nontipping basis. I think we're stuck with our >>>present system.
>> and we're fine with it.
> I don't think it is impossible to change and I am not fine with it. I > like this system much better, where waiters are paid and given benefits > just like other working people, are respected just as much as other > workers and are never forced to by sycophantic mendicant to pay the > rent.
I never thought I'd say this, but......... well said.
I agree whole heartedly.
> Americans can be so bull headed about tipping that in some restaurants > in touristy areas, a waiter will ask for a tip if he thinks you are > American-- saying something like "Service is not included on this > bill," when his pay and benefits certainly ARE included in the already > hefty prices on the menu because it is against the law for it to be any > other way.
-- Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia
If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:11:12 +0100, "Giusi" <decob...@gmail.com> wrote: > in >touristy areas, a waiter will ask for a tip if he thinks you are American-- >saying something like "Service is not included on this bill," when his pay >and benefits certainly ARE included in the already hefty prices on the menu >because it is against the law for it to be any other way.
Doesn't the bill say at the bottom if the tip is included or not? Or are you talking about the places where you're lucky to get your bill written on a piece of paper?
-- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:11:12 +0100, "Giusi" wrote:
>> in >>touristy areas, a waiter will ask for a tip if he thinks you are >>American-- >>saying something like "Service is not included on this >>bill," when his pay >>and benefits certainly ARE included in the already >>hefty prices on the menu >>because it is against the law for it to be any >>other way.
> Doesn't the bill say at the bottom if the tip is included or not? Or> are > you talking about the places where you're lucky to get your bill> written > on a piece of paper?
No, only rarely. You simply cannot get someone to work for the piddling amounts paid in the US and maybe the UK. The service is part of the cost of the food and only small roundings up are appropriate. It would be against the law to pay a waiter $3-6 an hour and tell them to hustle the rest in tips. They also get health and pension coverage.
Those ones that don't give you a real receipt are tax dodgers and up to a couple of years ago you, too, would get a fine of euro 500 for not getting a receipt while the shop would pay euro 1500.
>>> Barbara has got her attributions all screwed up, as usual.
>>> She's taking your complaint of lousy service as a comment I made.
>>> I won't hold my breath waiting for an apology though.
>> She seems to have a shoulder chip atm
> Yeah, the chip on her shoulder is about the size of an ATM.
> But... suprise suprise....... and all credit to her, she did apologize.
> Maybe she'll read and follow posts a little more closely in future.
> That's the good thing with Xnews...... if I have a 'dodgy' post I'm about > to reply to, I do a CtrlF5 and call up all posts made from the last to > ..... 17,000 ago, just to make sure I'm 'collaring' the right person.
> But then, I was a soldier, an occupation where attention to detail is > paramount.
> Barbara is a school teacher. Nothing more needs to be said on that.
sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote in news:94p9f5d88rrjgfb0kuo3a3ii9tf2gq6tng@ 4ax.com:
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:39:17 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> > wrote:
>>PeterL wrote:
>>> Barbara is a school teacher. Nothing more needs to be said on that.
> You're an idiot. You don't need to blame your teachers - it's innate.
My teachers were quite good, and the education system I was in was classed as the top level in the whole of Australia...... in it's day.
It's just in recent years that the standards of 'teachers' (worldwide it seems) have slipped abysmally. We have teachers in the system now who can't even spell FGS!!!
Then we have shining examples like you who go off at someone, quite incorrectly, because you couldn't sort out the attributions and read who was saying what.
Do you check your pupils schoolwork with the same lacklustre attitude and lack of attention to detail?
>>Not quite as bad as Fran but trying
> I've had it with you, Chuckles.
I'd just like to know who Fran and Chuckles is :-)
-- Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia
If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
PeterL wrote: > sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote in news:94p9f5d88rrjgfb0kuo3a3ii9tf2gq6tng@ > 4ax.com:
>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:39:17 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> >> wrote:
>>> PeterL wrote: >>>> Barbara is a school teacher. Nothing more needs to be said on that.
>> You're an idiot. You don't need to blame your teachers - it's innate.
> My teachers were quite good, and the education system I was in was classed > as the top level in the whole of Australia...... in it's day.
> It's just in recent years that the standards of 'teachers' (worldwide it > seems) have slipped abysmally. We have teachers in the system now who > can't even spell FGS!!!
> Then we have shining examples like you who go off at someone, quite > incorrectly, because you couldn't sort out the attributions and read who > was saying what.
> Do you check your pupils schoolwork with the same lacklustre attitude and > lack of attention to detail?
>>> Not quite as bad as Fran but trying >> I've had it with you, Chuckles.
> I'd just like to know who Fran and Chuckles is :-)
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