"Hourly hospitality base rates for adult casuals are usually $15-$20 per hour. You will normally get paid extra for working overtime/late nights and possibly ‘time-and-a-half’ or ‘double time’ on Saturdays, Sundays and public holidays."
The base award wage for a full time waiter/waitress is $628.30 per week.
> "Hourly hospitality base rates for adult casuals are usually $15-$20 per > hour. You will normally get paid extra for working overtime/late nights > and > possibly 'time-and-a-half' or 'double time' on Saturdays, Sundays and > public > holidays."
> The base award wage for a full time waiter/waitress is $628.30 per week.
> "PeterL" <P...@brissie.aus> wrote in message > news:Xns9CBA6D3415E9Peterhomeinbrissie@61.9.191.5... >> "Hourly hospitality base rates for adult casuals are usually $15-$20 per >> hour. You will normally get paid extra for working overtime/late >> nights and >> possibly 'time-and-a-half' or 'double time' on Saturdays, Sundays and >> public >> holidays."
>> The base award wage for a full time waiter/waitress is $628.30 per week.
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:07:17 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Considering the oft lousy service I wont tip unless the staff are >exceptional after all they are a long way from the poorhouse
It's interesting at how people are treated. In non tipping countries the waitstaff knows who tips and who doesn't. We get good service because we're obviously Americans and Americans are known to tip. Germans don't tip and get mediocre service. I guess you auzzies get the same treatment.
-- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote in news:7lq4f59b7q81pukrj0ofn4cdfam6b2qmp6@ 4ax.com:
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:07:17 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> > wrote:
>>Considering the oft lousy service I wont tip unless the staff are >>exceptional after all they are a long way from the poorhouse
> It's interesting at how people are treated. In non tipping countries > the waitstaff knows who tips and who doesn't. We get good service > because we're obviously Americans and Americans are known to tip. > Germans don't tip and get mediocre service. I guess you auzzies get > the same treatment.
You Yanks get the same service we Aussies do. It's just that you're silly enough to tip in a non-tipping country.
If waitstaff started differentiating their 'service' of people by who they deem to be tippers or not, they'd soon be out on their arse looking for a new job. Employers look for return customers. If someone gets lousy service right from the start because the waiter/ess deems them to be "non tipping", then the employer loses out on money, so the offending waiter/ess gets the boot.
-- Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia
If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
> "PeterL" <P...@brissie.aus> wrote in message > news:Xns9CBA6D3415E9Peterhomeinbrissie@61.9.191.5... >> "Hourly hospitality base rates for adult casuals are usually $15-$20 per >> hour. You will normally get paid extra for working overtime/late nights >> and >> possibly 'time-and-a-half' or 'double time' on Saturdays, Sundays and >> public >> holidays."
>> The base award wage for a full time waiter/waitress is $628.30 per week.
> sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote in news:7lq4f59b7q81pukrj0ofn4cdfam6b2qmp6@ > 4ax.com:
> > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:07:17 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> > > wrote:
> >>Considering the oft lousy service I wont tip unless the staff are > >>exceptional after all they are a long way from the poorhouse
> > It's interesting at how people are treated. In non tipping countries > > the waitstaff knows who tips and who doesn't. We get good service > > because we're obviously Americans and Americans are known to tip. > > Germans don't tip and get mediocre service. I guess you auzzies get > > the same treatment.
> You Yanks get the same service we Aussies do. It's just that you're silly > enough to tip in a non-tipping country.
> If waitstaff started differentiating their 'service' of people by who they > deem to be tippers or not, they'd soon be out on their arse looking for a new > job. Employers look for return customers. If someone gets lousy service right > from the start because the waiter/ess deems them to be "non tipping", then > the employer loses out on money, so the offending waiter/ess gets the boot.
> -- > Peter Lucas > Brisbane > Australia
> If we are not meant to eat animals, > why are they made of meat?
It would be nigh onto impossible to make the transition in this country to a nontipping basis. I think we're stuck with our present system.
sf wrote: > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:07:17 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> > wrote:
>> Considering the oft lousy service I wont tip unless the staff are >> exceptional after all they are a long way from the poorhouse
> It's interesting at how people are treated. In non tipping countries > the waitstaff knows who tips and who doesn't. We get good service > because we're obviously Americans and Americans are known to tip. > Germans don't tip and get mediocre service. I guess you auzzies get > the same treatment.
You guessed wrong sorry I have experienced on the norm excellent service without a tip offer although I might if they are good waiters ( and don't feel an obligation to do so ) so you are being silly to just tip as per usual
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:35:13 GMT, PeterL <P...@brissie.aus> wrote: >sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote in news:7lq4f59b7q81pukrj0ofn4cdfam6b2qmp6@ >4ax.com:
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:07:17 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> >> wrote:
>>>Considering the oft lousy service I wont tip unless the staff are >>>exceptional after all they are a long way from the poorhouse
>> It's interesting at how people are treated. In non tipping countries >> the waitstaff knows who tips and who doesn't. We get good service >> because we're obviously Americans and Americans are known to tip. >> Germans don't tip and get mediocre service. I guess you auzzies get >> the same treatment.
>You Yanks get the same service we Aussies do. It's just that you're silly >enough to tip in a non-tipping country.
>If waitstaff started differentiating their 'service' of people by who they >deem to be tippers or not, they'd soon be out on their arse looking for a new >job. Employers look for return customers. If someone gets lousy service right >from the start because the waiter/ess deems them to be "non tipping", then >the employer loses out on money, so the offending waiter/ess gets the boot.
First you complain about lousy service, then you get all defensive. Make up your mind.
-- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
<tweeny90...@mypacks.net> wrote: >It would be nigh onto impossible to make the transition in this >country to a nontipping basis. I think we're stuck with our present >system.
and we're fine with it.
-- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
>sf wrote: >> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:07:17 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> >> wrote:
>>> Considering the oft lousy service I wont tip unless the staff are >>> exceptional after all they are a long way from the poorhouse
>> It's interesting at how people are treated. In non tipping countries >> the waitstaff knows who tips and who doesn't. We get good service >> because we're obviously Americans and Americans are known to tip. >> Germans don't tip and get mediocre service. I guess you auzzies get >> the same treatment.
>You guessed wrong sorry I have experienced on the norm excellent service >without a tip offer although I might if they are good waiters ( and >don't feel an obligation to do so ) so you are being silly to just tip >as per usual
In that case, WTF is Peter complaining about?
-- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
> <tweeny90...@mypacks.net> wrote: > >It would be nigh onto impossible to make the transition in this > >country to a nontipping basis. I think we're stuck with our present > >system.
> and we're fine with it.
Don't get me wrong. I am fine with it too. Lousy service and/or attitude is definitely reflected in my tip.
sf wrote: > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:22:28 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> > wrote:
>> sf wrote: >>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:07:17 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> >>> wrote:
>>>> Considering the oft lousy service I wont tip unless the staff are >>>> exceptional after all they are a long way from the poorhouse >>> It's interesting at how people are treated. In non tipping countries >>> the waitstaff knows who tips and who doesn't. We get good service >>> because we're obviously Americans and Americans are known to tip. >>> Germans don't tip and get mediocre service. I guess you auzzies get >>> the same treatment.
>> You guessed wrong sorry I have experienced on the norm excellent service >> without a tip offer although I might if they are good waiters ( and >> don't feel an obligation to do so ) so you are being silly to just tip >> as per usual
>sf wrote: >> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:22:28 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> >> wrote:
>>> sf wrote: >>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:07:17 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> >>>> wrote:
>>>>> Considering the oft lousy service I wont tip unless the staff are >>>>> exceptional after all they are a long way from the poorhouse >>>> It's interesting at how people are treated. In non tipping countries >>>> the waitstaff knows who tips and who doesn't. We get good service >>>> because we're obviously Americans and Americans are known to tip. >>>> Germans don't tip and get mediocre service. I guess you auzzies get >>>> the same treatment.
>>> You guessed wrong sorry I have experienced on the norm excellent service >>> without a tip offer although I might if they are good waiters ( and >>> don't feel an obligation to do so ) so you are being silly to just tip >>> as per usual
>> In that case, WTF is Peter complaining about?
>Dunno > did you ask him ?
I think you two need to put your heads together and get the OZ story straight.
-- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
> On Nov 5, 1:35 am, PeterL <P...@brissie.aus> wrote: >> sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote in news:7lq4f59b7q81pukrj0ofn4cdfam6b2qmp6 > @ >> 4ax.com:
>> > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:07:17 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> >> > wrote:
>> >>Considering the oft lousy service I wont tip unless the staff are >> >>exceptional after all they are a long way from the poorhouse
>> > It's interesting at how people are treated. In non tipping countries >> > the waitstaff knows who tips and who doesn't. We get good service >> > because we're obviously Americans and Americans are known to tip. >> > Germans don't tip and get mediocre service. I guess you auzzies get >> > the same treatment.
>> You Yanks get the same service we Aussies do. It's just that you're silly >> enough to tip in a non-tipping country.
>> If waitstaff started differentiating their 'service' of people by who the > y >> deem to be tippers or not, they'd soon be out on their arse looking for a > new >> job. Employers look for return customers. If someone gets lousy service r > ight >> from the start because the waiter/ess deems them to be "non tipping", the > n >> the employer loses out on money, so the offending waiter/ess gets the boo > t.
> It would be nigh onto impossible to make the transition in this > country to a nontipping basis. I think we're stuck with our present > system.
Yep, it's going to take a major overhaul of your wages system..... which is never going to happen. More's the pity.
-- Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia
If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:35:13 GMT, PeterL <P...@brissie.aus> wrote:
>>sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote in news:7lq4f59b7q81pukrj0ofn4cdfam6b2qmp6@ >>4ax.com:
>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:07:17 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> >>> wrote:
>>>>Considering the oft lousy service I wont tip unless the staff are >>>>exceptional after all they are a long way from the poorhouse
>>> It's interesting at how people are treated. In non tipping countries >>> the waitstaff knows who tips and who doesn't. We get good service >>> because we're obviously Americans and Americans are known to tip. >>> Germans don't tip and get mediocre service. I guess you auzzies get >>> the same treatment.
>>You Yanks get the same service we Aussies do. It's just that you're >>silly enough to tip in a non-tipping country.
>>If waitstaff started differentiating their 'service' of people by who >>they deem to be tippers or not, they'd soon be out on their arse looking >>for a new job. Employers look for return customers. If someone gets >>lousy service right from the start because the waiter/ess deems them to >>be "non tipping", then the employer loses out on money, so the offending >>waiter/ess gets the boot.
> First you complain about lousy service, then you get all defensive. > Make up your mind.
I suggest you go back and read the thread properly.
*I* didn't complain about lousy service.
Do try to keep up.
-- Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia
If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:22:28 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> > wrote:
>>sf wrote: >>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:07:17 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> >>> wrote:
>>>> Considering the oft lousy service I wont tip unless the staff are >>>> exceptional after all they are a long way from the poorhouse
>>> It's interesting at how people are treated. In non tipping countries >>> the waitstaff knows who tips and who doesn't. We get good service >>> because we're obviously Americans and Americans are known to tip. >>> Germans don't tip and get mediocre service. I guess you auzzies get >>> the same treatment.
>>You guessed wrong sorry I have experienced on the norm excellent service >>without a tip offer although I might if they are good waiters ( and >>don't feel an obligation to do so ) so you are being silly to just tip >>as per usual
> In that case, WTF is Peter complaining about?
Re read the thread Barbara.
And this time, read it properly.
-- Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia
If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
sf wrote: > On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:05:01 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> > wrote:
>> sf wrote: >>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:22:28 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> >>> wrote:
>>>> sf wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:07:17 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Considering the oft lousy service I wont tip unless the staff are >>>>>> exceptional after all they are a long way from the poorhouse >>>>> It's interesting at how people are treated. In non tipping countries >>>>> the waitstaff knows who tips and who doesn't. We get good service >>>>> because we're obviously Americans and Americans are known to tip. >>>>> Germans don't tip and get mediocre service. I guess you auzzies get >>>>> the same treatment.
>>>> You guessed wrong sorry I have experienced on the norm excellent service >>>> without a tip offer although I might if they are good waiters ( and >>>> don't feel an obligation to do so ) so you are being silly to just tip >>>> as per usual >>> In that case, WTF is Peter complaining about?
>> Dunno >> did you ask him ?
> I think you two need to put your heads together and get the OZ story > straight.
I might think about doing so but then it's only you nah
> sf wrote: >> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:05:01 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> >> wrote:
>>> sf wrote: >>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:22:28 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> >>>> wrote:
>>>>> sf wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:07:17 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec >>>>>> 77"@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Considering the oft lousy service I wont tip unless the staff are >>>>>>> exceptional after all they are a long way from the poorhouse >>>>>> It's interesting at how people are treated. In non tipping >>>>>> countries the waitstaff knows who tips and who doesn't. We get >>>>>> good service because we're obviously Americans and Americans are >>>>>> known to tip. Germans don't tip and get mediocre service. I guess >>>>>> you auzzies get the same treatment.
>>>>> You guessed wrong sorry I have experienced on the norm excellent >>>>> service without a tip offer although I might if they are good >>>>> waiters ( and don't feel an obligation to do so ) so you are being >>>>> silly to just tip as per usual >>>> In that case, WTF is Peter complaining about?
>>> Dunno >>> did you ask him ?
>> I think you two need to put your heads together and get the OZ story >> straight.
> I might think about doing so > but then it's only you > nah
Barbara has got her attributions all screwed up, as usual.
She's taking your complaint of lousy service as a comment I made.
I won't hold my breath waiting for an apology though.
-- Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia
If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
>>It would be nigh onto impossible to make the transition in this>>country >>to a nontipping basis. I think we're stuck with our present system.
> and we're fine with it.
I don't think it is impossible to change and I am not fine with it. I like this system much better, where waiters are paid and given benefits just like other working people, are respected just as much as other workers and are never forced to by sycophantic mendicant to pay the rent.
Americans can be so bull headed about tipping that in some restaurants in touristy areas, a waiter will ask for a tip if he thinks you are American-- saying something like "Service is not included on this bill," when his pay and benefits certainly ARE included in the already hefty prices on the menu because it is against the law for it to be any other way.
>> sf wrote: >>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:05:01 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> >>> wrote:
>>>> sf wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:22:28 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> sf wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:07:17 +1000, atec 7 7 <"atec >>>>>>> 77"@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Considering the oft lousy service I wont tip unless the staff are >>>>>>>> exceptional after all they are a long way from the poorhouse >>>>>>> It's interesting at how people are treated. In non tipping >>>>>>> countries the waitstaff knows who tips and who doesn't. We get >>>>>>> good service because we're obviously Americans and Americans are >>>>>>> known to tip. Germans don't tip and get mediocre service. I guess >>>>>>> you auzzies get the same treatment.
>>>>>> You guessed wrong sorry I have experienced on the norm excellent >>>>>> service without a tip offer although I might if they are good >>>>>> waiters ( and don't feel an obligation to do so ) so you are being >>>>>> silly to just tip as per usual >>>>> In that case, WTF is Peter complaining about?
>>>> Dunno >>>> did you ask him ? >>> I think you two need to put your heads together and get the OZ story >>> straight.
>> I might think about doing so >> but then it's only you >> nah
> Barbara has got her attributions all screwed up, as usual.
> She's taking your complaint of lousy service as a comment I made.
> I won't hold my breath waiting for an apology though.
Giusi wrote: > I don't think it is impossible to change and I am not fine with it. I like > this system much better, where waiters are paid and given benefits just like > other working people, are respected just as much as other workers and are > never forced to by sycophantic mendicant to pay the rent.
> Americans can be so bull headed about tipping that in some restaurants in > touristy areas, a waiter will ask for a tip if he thinks you are American-- > saying something like "Service is not included on this bill," when his pay > and benefits certainly ARE included in the already hefty prices on the menu > because it is against the law for it to be any other way.
On one trip to Paris I asked a waitress if service was included. She had an interesting explanation. According to her, in most of the rest of France it is optional for restaurants to include the service in the bill, and the bill has to say whether or not service is included. In Paris service must be included. Since it must be included, they don't have to make that statement on the bill. That solves the problem of getting tips from tourists from non tipping countries. Tourists from tipping cultures usually end up double tipping because they have already paid the service and then leave a tip on top of that.
>> Barbara has got her attributions all screwed up, as usual.
>> She's taking your complaint of lousy service as a comment I made.
>> I won't hold my breath waiting for an apology though.
> She seems to have a shoulder chip atm
Yeah, the chip on her shoulder is about the size of an ATM.
But... suprise suprise....... and all credit to her, she did apologize.
Maybe she'll read and follow posts a little more closely in future.
That's the good thing with Xnews...... if I have a 'dodgy' post I'm about to reply to, I do a CtrlF5 and call up all posts made from the last to ..... 17,000 ago, just to make sure I'm 'collaring' the right person.
But then, I was a soldier, an occupation where attention to detail is paramount.
Barbara is a school teacher. Nothing more needs to be said on that.
-- Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia
If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
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