In article <27b2d965-45e7-4541-8f65-34ad154e2...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, Matt Hughes <archon...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 7 Nov, 18:32, erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> > "rock" is that awful stuff I've disliked since it first began to appear
> You mean you didn't care for "Wop bop a loo bop a lop bam boom?"
No, but some of the music I do like is in other languages I don't speak/comprehend. There are also a few groups that sing instrumentally and there's skat singing that's part of jazz.
> I rather liked Steve Allen reading rock lyrics, deadpan, on the old -- > really, really old -- Tonight Show.
Oh, that was funny 8-)
-- Erilar, biblioholic
bib-li-o-hol-ism [<Gr biblion] n. [BIBLIO + HOLISM] books, of books: habitual longing to purchase, read, store, admire, and consume books in excess.
> In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful erilar declared: > > In article <hd2ugi$1dc...@grapevine.csail.mit.edu>, > > woll...@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) wrote:
> >> Well, that's odd, because "folk" and "rock" are the same bucket for > >> me. Although I don't know exactly what you call "folk" so I can't > >> say for certain that we mean the same thing by it.
> > SCREAM! "folk" = traditional folk music and music in that style. > > "rock" is that awful stuff I've disliked since it first began to appear: > > loud, simplistic, often mercifully incomprehensible and otherwise > > ranging from unpleasant to nauseating until it degenerates into "rap", > > which is even worse.
> The problem is, there are a number of rock bands now that have > turned to the past for inspiration and are producing what you'd > probably consider folk music.
> There are lots of bands outside the radio who don't fit simple > categorization as "folk" or "rock" or anything else.
Oh, I'll listen and judge them individually. I didn't list EVERYTHING I like, but most of what I DISlike. My favorite male singer is Reinhard Mey, a German singer who does a wide variety of things he writes himself and the only category I can put him into is Liedermacher--singer/songwriter. He does hilariously funny things, social commentary, love songs, semi-biographical ballads--a little of everything.
-- Erilar, biblioholic
bib-li-o-hol-ism [<Gr biblion] n. [BIBLIO + HOLISM] books, of books: habitual longing to purchase, read, store, admire, and consume books in excess.
Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> writes: >In the "big iron", IBM used a different coding scheme dating back >before ASCII. IBM's character coding had a cents sign.
Neither IBM nor Burroughs EBCDIC encodings included a cents sign.
Individual print trains may have included a cents symbol, but there was no "standard" EBCDIC encoding for such.
In article <mike-824272.12590307112...@news.eternal-september.org>, Mike Ash <m...@mikeash.com> wrote:
> If they *aren't* actually making a profit on you, like when you have a > card but never, ever use it, then they're going to decide that "zero" is > a better option. But as long as you use it a reasonable amount, they're > better off with you than without you.
I charge overseas airfare, major appliances, all my gas and groceries, etc. They get their little bit from the merchants and pay me for the privilege 8-)
-- Erilar, biblioholic
bib-li-o-hol-ism [<Gr biblion] n. [BIBLIO + HOLISM] books, of books: habitual longing to purchase, read, store, admire, and consume books in excess.
> On 2009-11-07 09:45:47 -0800, erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> said:
> > In article <mike-90BAEC.12315707112...@news.eternal-september.org>, > > Mike Ash <m...@mikeash.com> wrote:
> >> I think it's odd that you'd characterize having to find a public phone, > >> go through the shenanigans required to operate it, having to make more > >> detailed arrangements in advance, and going through great difficulty if > >> things don't go as planned as "simpler" than being able to pull out your > >> magic box and communicate with your ride at any time after you touch > >> down. I've been flying on airlines regularly for decades and I can tell > >> you that this aspect of it is a lot simpler *now*.
> > But I don't DO any of that 8-)
> And therefore no one does? "Life was simpler then" does not apply only > to you -- the statement you were responding to was a general claim, not > specific. And come to that, you seem to have set things up so that > your airport-arrival life is just as simple, in that aspect. So it was > just as simple for you and more complicated for others.
Note my use of "I" 8-) I didn't claim it WAS the case for everyone, just that constant dependence on cell phones is NOT the case for everyone.
-- Erilar, biblioholic
bib-li-o-hol-ism [<Gr biblion] n. [BIBLIO + HOLISM] books, of books: habitual longing to purchase, read, store, admire, and consume books in excess.
James Nicoll <jdnic...@panix.com> wrote: >Matt Hughes <archon...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>Freelancers get money in chunks and at irregular intervals. Sometimes >>people who owe you money don't pay when they say they will,
> And then there's the issue that if you're in Canada and you >freelance for Americans, unless the US company is willing to pony up >for a wire transfer - and they probably are not - or a reliable >courier company like FedEx -and they probably are not, at least >not for cheques - the cheque will end up in the hands of Canada >Post. Canada Post will -probably- deliver it.
But you're not bitter?
Dave "I'm not bitter. YET. Ask again later." DeLaney -- \/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
Matt Hughes <archon...@googlemail.com> wrote: >On 7 Nov, 18:28, Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote: >> But that is (or at least used to be) downright UnAmerican!
>An irrelevant observation to those of us, comprising 95 per cent of >humanity, who are not blessed with American citizenship.
Huh, never thought of it in exactly those terms before. It really is right around 95%, isn't it.
Dave "subject to viewer bias filtered through English-speaking lenses" DeLaney -- \/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
Butch Malahide wrote: > On Nov 6, 9:16 am, netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote: > > In article <7lipksF3dgbh...@mid.individual.net>, cperk...@mun.ca says...
> > > And actually, I can't think of much in the way of food besides milk (and > > > some cheese) that's naturally white.
> > Most milk products. Egg whites. Coconuts and coconut milk. Lard.
> Zesty, tangy lard, yum. I think that's it. A brick of uncolored > margarine looks a lot like a brick of lard. It makes sense to color > one of them, so you don't mix them up.
You could write in the stuff what it is, in each case.
Mike Ash <m...@mikeash.com> wrote: > "W. Citoan" <wcit...@NOSPAM-yahoo.com> wrote: >> It's fine if you don't want a cell phone. Just say "I don't want a cell >> phone". That's a lot easier than saying "I don't want for reasons that >> aren't real".
>A luddite is never happy until *you* also don't want the offending >technology.
Oh, I don't mind other people having them. (Right up until they get into trouble somewhere near me from talking on one when they should be paying attention to something else.) But I'm not gonna drink the social-networking- style koolaid; I would not mind having one IF it were outgoing-only, but as near as I can tell, having checked a couple times, asking about that is a good way to get cell phone salespeople looking at you like you're from Mars.
("Outgoing only but you can only call 911" isn't what I'm thinking of, no.)
I don't _want_ one, no - it's not on my list of stuff to want. But not understanding why I'm not wanting one doesn't make my lack of want unreal, or ineligible, or inapplicable.
Dave -- \/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:34:59 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <paoadbf4jz4v....@falcon.sloth.hell.pl>, > Szymon SokóŠ<szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl> wrote: >>On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:19:06 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> When I was at university, I earned a few beans by typing papers, >>> file cards, et cetera for faculty in my department, which was >>> Linguistics. The typewriter I used had had the dot chiseled out >>> from under the question mark, so that it could be used for >>> glottal stop. To type a real question mark, I typed period, >>> backspace, glottal stop. And there was one key that was so often >>> used to make multiple characters that the machine didn't space >>> after it. But I've forgotten what it was.
>>Probably ´/` ....
> Can you describe what that would look like when printed out?
The two types of accents - acute and grave.
-- Szymon Sokół (SS316-RIPE) -- Network Manager B Computer Center, AGH - University of Science and Technology, Cracow, Poland O http://home.agh.edu.pl/szymon/ PGP key id: RSA: 0x2ABE016B, DSS: 0xF9289982 F Free speech includes the right not to listen, if not interested -- Heinlein H
In Dread Ink, the Grave hand of Robert Carnegie Did Inscribe:
> I imagine that back-fastening makes the wardrobe malfunction scenario > a Category Five as opposed to Fifteen. And maybe also keeps away guys > like you - at least with the combination model. (Combination as in > lock.) Or at least makes it a challenge, like Charles Darwin said it > bhould be. :-)
Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote: >On Nov 7, 3:25 am, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote: >> Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >What's the difference between _et alia_ and _et cetera_? Are they just >> >synonyms?
>> "Et cetera" is "and so on".
>No, "et cetera" = "and other things"; the same "ceter-", I guess, as >in "ceteris paribus". "And so on" = "usw" = "und so weiter".
Well, if you drag in German things go all hitler-shaped anyway.
Dave "at least he didn't leave many lasting linguistic anomalies" DeLaney -- \/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>Wayne Throop wrote: >> How do you feel about "you're on your own, support-wise, until it's out"?
> That's not an option for any child. Once they're adults, yes, but I >can't take even a 16 year old boy and throw him out of the house, to >survive as he will.
ObSF: _The Fourth 'R'_, George O. Smith.
Dave -- \/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
> > >> I find it very hard to understand why anyone would bother kneading > > >> colour into the margarine. It's not like it made it taste better.
> > >It looked more appetizing when it was yellow. I think I read somewhere > > >that real butter varies somewhat in colour depending on what the cow has > > >been eating, and that some effort is made using colourings to make sure > > >that modern commercial butter is all a nice appealing yellow colour.
> > True. in _Little House in the Big Woods_ Mrs. Ingalls colored > > her wintertime butter by gently heating the cream she was going > > to churn with a grated carrot.
> On topic of carrots and unappetizing colouring...
> I had the most delicious lilac chicken dumpling soup yesterday. I don't > mean purple, such as a beetroot soup. The liquid was lilac, the > dumplings were lilac and the chicken looked like I'd murdered E.T.
> I've grown purple carrots before, and I could've sworn I've also used > them in soup, before. I don't ever recall lilac soup ensuing, before.
According to TV panel game _QI_, original carrots are purple. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrot> tells a more complicated story, maybe from the document passing through many hands. Apparently they originally came from Afghanistan - or is that unreasonably specific? And "The purple colour common in 'eastern carrots' comes from anthocyanin pigments" - is that all right? The orange is beta- carotene, now there's a coincidence :-)
Carl Dershem <ders...@cox.net> wrote: >Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote in >> Matt Hughes <archon...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>> djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>>> >But small stores where you know the people have gone the way of >>>> >all flesh too.
>>>> No, they're still around, just less common.
>>>You find them in small towns. If you live there for a while.
>> Even not-so-small towns.
>There are even some in big cities. The place where I buy all of my >books (except reference) is one of them.
And, relevant to this, I've Just Been Informed earlier to-day that the last local Waldenbooks, which I've been patronizing since about 1991, is scheduled to close at the end of January. Truly, this sucks (and is more evidence for me that their parent corporation, Borders/Brentanos, jumped the shark several years back).
This almost certainly means I'll be forced into switching over to the last remaining area Barnes & Noble, which is about as far away in the other direction... and therefore won't visit East Towne Mall (nee Knoxville Center, which new name it never has deserved) much at all any more. It's arguable that I should have switched a while back; for one thing, B&N's store-card still happily offers a percentage off all relevant purchases, rather than offering One Coupon Per Week, type and applicability varies, get it in email and print it out on your own printer or ask at the counter because they won't tell you it's there unless they've known you for years. [See j.t.s. mention, above.]
This makes me unhappy, and it makes me MORE unhappy that they probably won't pay any attention to the unhappiness of someone who's got to be, over the years, one of their Top N Customers for that particular store.
Dave -- \/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> wrote: >Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote: >>The words are not horrible, perhaps, but virtually every performer >>from Woody Guthrie to the Carter Family and ever since, seems to >>mangle them in some way. This even has a name; it is called "the folk >>process." It means that people cannot sing what is right in front of >>them. I have always wanted to ask the Carters what: >>"Oh, I'll twine with my mingles and waving black hair," MEANS, >>although the original, >>"I'll twine 'mid the ringlets of my raven black hair," isn't really >>much better.
>There was an intermediate stage in that mutation, I think. The >version I saw first, somewhere back in the day of the dinosaurs, >had it "I will twine and will mingle my raven black hair/With the >roses so red, etc." -- which I personally like much better than >the original, authenticity be damned. It didn't help that one of >the flowers listed is a nonsense-name, so that different singers >have tried different substitutions, and one can only speculate >about what plant was originally meant.
So, basically, "speaking of the pompatus of love" in action?
Dave "telephone ... candygram ... LANDSHARK" DeLaney -- \/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
> >>FWIW the housewives in Iowa City would have read about it in the > >>"Women's" page (in earlier decades, the "Society" *section*) of > >>their local newspapers. Also, within a month or two of the Word > >>on High from Paris, their local dress shop(s) and department > >>store(s) would've been carrying the new styles to the exclusion > >>of the old ones. Some women made their own clothes (my mother, > >>born 1908, did, and I, born 1942, did and still do), but they > >>made them from patterns sold through the fabric stores by > >>nationwide pattern companies, and *those* would follow the latest > >>fashion.
> >I have no doubt stores started selling the appropriate clothes and > >patterns - but that doesn't mean the housewives of Iowa city rushed > >right out and bought a new wardrobe. When they bought new clothes, > >they bought what was available. When they made clothes, if the old > >pattern was worn out, they bought what was available.
> >Thus, while they were certainly affected by the dicates of Paris, they > >were in no way in their 'iron grip' (your phrase).
> You still don't understand. Even if their "old" clothes were > still perfectly wearable, they were OUT OF STYLE and thereby > unwearable. This *mattered* to them. It wouldn't matter to you. > It doesn't matter to most women nowadays. There was a massive > change of attitude in the late 1960s, and this is what I have > been talking about.
Of course as you've explained, some clothes could be modified to follow style. Colour change is a little trickier, but do-able.
Was there a theory of where a "style" came from other than being invented each season by a panel of gay Frenchmen?
And I suppose you wouldn't be dressed to "fashion" every hour, every day - or would you?
> > >> So much for the myth of "progress". I remember when people *didn't* > > >> have to carry telephones around with them wherever they went, because > > >> there were payphones everywhere.
> > >Now now, let's remember which came first. People started carrying phones > > >with them everywhere *by choice*, and the pay phones disappeared later. > > >It would be more properly phrased as, payphones were everywhere, because > > >people *couldn't* carry telephones around with them wherever they went.
> > Didn't the War on Drugs require payphones stop accepting > > incoming calls before cell phones began to spread. That reduced the > > usefulness of payphones (and makes part of THE MIRACLE MILE obsolete).
> I remember being away at summer camp in the mid 90s, calling my dad, and > giving him the phone number of the pay phone so that he could call me > back. I waited at least five minutes before I clued in and called him > again.
> I could have sworn that I've seen a ringing pay phone in the 21st > century. Might not have been in the US, though.
A "private" pay phone, for instance on a desk in a public place such as a shop with a coinbox attached, probably is different again. The device I have in mind here has a key or a PIN so that the owner can bypass the payment mechanism and make calls, and, for a small business, also receive them on the phone. That's probably locked too.
Otherwise, perhaps it is only the actual "make a ring noise" component that is removed from "no incoming call" pay phones and their lines? So it is only made less practical to use them to receive calls, but not impossible?
jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote: > I think Canada gave up the Bomb about a quarter century ago [1] >1: Which as I've often said I think was a terrible mistake. It would >not have stopped the Soviets from hitting other targets in Canada >and it left us with no easy way to deter Southern War Hawkery.
I don't think that Canada ever had the bomb. Trudeau once answered "About twenty minutes. And a phone call" in answer to "How long would it take Canada to get the bomb if it decided it wanted to develop one." I assume he was referring to weaponry borrowed from its southern neighbor. -- apart from one noisy guy up in Canada, no-one wants a three-cylinder tissue box on bicycle tires.
>> Robert Bannister <robb...@bigpond.com> wrote: >>> I imagine the cigarette lighter will stay as an >>> accessory socket, but the ashtray will no doubt be next to go.
I'm coming late to this discussion. My late wife's 01 Tribute came with the ashtray as an insert that sat in one of the cup holders. I think my girlfriend's 05 Matrix has the same thing.
If the ashtray is something sitting in a cup holder, I think it's safe to say that the ashtray is already gone as a builtin feature.
-- apart from one noisy guy up in Canada, no-one wants a three-cylinder tissue box on bicycle tires.
On Nov 6, 3:26 pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> In article <d111e1c6-0f60-4d44-926b-9cab4f859...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> trag <t...@io.com> wrote: > >That's what the store's courtesy phone is for. At my local store it's > >hanging on the wall as you enter the store.
> Whaaaat? Where do you live? I've never seen a phone, installed > in the store, for use by the customers. Never. Many stores did > use to have pay phones just inside or just outside the front > door. They went the way of all pay phones.
I live in Austin, TX. We have an exceptional grocery store chain here called H.E.B.. I'm not sure how far it extends, but they are at least all over central Texas. Their prices are lower than the local Safeway cousin (Randalls) and Walmart has a difficult time competing with them. Yet, they've been this way since before Walmart started trying to horn in.
The courtesy phone is a little ways inside the second set of sliding doors, hanging on the wall. Dial 9 to get an outside line. There's a little hand written note asking you to limit calls to 3 minutes. Every HEB at which I've checked has one, though they're not always so conveniently located. It's very handy to stop at the store on the way home from work and call Diane, my partner, and ask if she needs anything at the store. That phone probably generates considerable additional sales for them and it doesn't really cost them anything. The outside line is one of the ones the store has anyway.
Of course, I must admit that this works better because *she* has a cell phone. We used to each have a land line at the house, but she killed hers and switched to all cell. Still, typically, at that time of day, she's home, so the cell doesn't make that large a difference.
On Nov 7, 11:17 am, thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote:
> : Louann Miller <louan...@yahoo.com> > : It probably helps that I am the only entry on most people's 'female > : redhead near six feet' mental file card.
netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote: >In article <hcv2e8$bu...@solani.org>, k...@busiek.com says... >> "By the start of the 20th century, eight out of ten Americans could not >> buy yellow margarine, and those that could had to pay a hefty tax on >> it. Bootleg colored margarine became common, and manufacturers began to >> supply food-coloring capsules so that the consumer could knead the >> yellow color into margarine before serving it."
>> Those food-coloring capsules lasted long enough that my mother >> remembers using them in the late Thirties or early Forties.
>I find it very hard to understand why anyone would bother kneading >colour into the margarine. It's not like it made it taste better.
For a while in 1980 or so, after a number of food colourings had been pulled from the market in a very short period, "parchment" margarine appeared in my local stores. Supposedly safer because it didn't have the colourings. Remember that there was a fad for colourless stuff (such as Crystal Pepsi) in the eighties.
Anyhow, parchment margarine was a commercial flop. I never bought a second brick, and I never saw the product again after I moved at about that time. -- apart from one noisy guy up in Canada, no-one wants a three-cylinder tissue box on bicycle tires.
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