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From: "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:17:45 +1100
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 8:17 am
Subject: Re: Slate: Ambulances for the Ample
Mrs Irish Mike wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote Nope, I know what its like. >> Mrs Irish Mike wrote >>> The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote >>>> Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich >>>> man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do? >>> Yes I do. >> More fool you. >>> The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it. >> Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually do that too. >>> The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth. >> Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to protect >> their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting their wealth at all. >>> The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies. >> Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than >> say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too. >>> The rich benifit from an educated work force. >> That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from. >> In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers >> to buy the shit they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont >> even need an educated work force, just being able to read and write >> is about all they need from most of their apes and they can afford to >> pay for the education of those that need better than that too. >>> They benifit from a system of non-corruption.. >> Many of them benefit even more from corruption. >>> The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, >>> socialised or under a dictator. >> Mindlessly silly. >>> Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station. >> That chance is available in any modern first world country even without upheavel now. >>> And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility; >> Its a fact anyway. >>> it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%, >> And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even today. >>> but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' class >> Like hell there is. >>> -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty. >> Another pig ignorant lie. >> The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely dependant on >> welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the homeless', most of >> whom are quite literally barking mad, just not kept in locked wards anymore. >> The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in numbers every single year. > You have to see modern America. > We have people who are hungry. The only hungry in modern america are those on diets and anorexics etc. > We have obese people because they are corn fed Nope, obesity is due to shovelling more calories into your mouth than you burn. > junk, everything has high fructose corn syrup in it. > That is why we have so many obese people, they crave nutrition, so they eat. That is just plain wrong. > Instead of nutrition, they get empty calories. Plenty of the obese shovel more full calories into their mouths than they burn. > The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the family farm is gone Like hell it is. > and all they is remaining are food factories that turn Another pig ignorant lie. > out corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products. > The poor in this country are fat because the non-nutrious foods are subsidized Like hell they are. > and so the cheapest. Another lie. A diet of rice and very little meat at all is still the cheapest and isnt subsidised at all. It just doesnt appeal to the american 'poor' > The education system is geared to producing consumers. Another lie. > Everyone knows the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can That has always been true, nothing to do with the education system, > balance a check book, let alone understand compounding intrest. everything to do with what most have between their ears. > We have entire families living in cars, under Yep, some fuck up financially. > bridges, and in the basements of relatives. > Predators prey on our children, Nope, FAR more children are abused by their familys and those known to their familys. > marriage is a temporary thing, A viable marraige always was for hordes. > government wants the man out before they will help, Another lie. > strip dancing is considered a valid career choice, Always was. > higher education means years of debt. Nope, it doesnt have to. > Bankruptcy is no longer an option for the middle class. Another lie. > Living wage jobs are outsourced overseas. Hordes of them arent. > Military service is one of the few opportunities for the poor. Another lie. They're free to get a decent education and a decent job which cant be outsourced. > Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an average worker. The average worker lives much better than the average worker did say 100 years ago. > The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be in reality above 25%. Another lie. > Those who work are only a paycheck or two from being homeless. Another lie. > America used to be the land of opportunity. Still is, which is why there is an immense legal and illegal immigration rate. > After WWII, the idea was that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a little luck, Still can. > one could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college and retire in comfort. > Today, it is investors who take the lion's share of the wealth. Another lie. > Credit card companies take a percentage of nearly every purchase. Another lie. The majority pay off their cards in full every month. > Laborers are expendable, They always were. Which is why it makes sense to get qualified for better than that. > education is useless when the job you train for is out sourced Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be. > or over run with 'guest' workers. Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be. > Money is made by having money Thats just one way of making money. > and the worker is tolerated only until he can be replaced. And most of them never can be. > Upward mobilty is not a fact of life in America anymore. Another lie. Have a look at what the immigrant do every day. > Interesting reading here: Nope, just a complete pack of lies. > http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2006/04/Hertz_MobilityAnalysis... You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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