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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:49:43 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Sep 6 2008 5:49 am
Subject: “So Sambo beat the bitch!” said Sarah Palin
Friday, September 5, 2008
Alaskans Speak (In A Frightened Whisper): Palin Is “Racist, Sexist,
Vindictive And Mean.”

“So Sambo beat the bitch!”

This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described
Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a
restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party
presidential nomination.

According to Lucille, the waitress serving her table at the time and
who asked that her last name not be used, Gov. Palin was eating lunch
with five or six people when the subject of the Democrat’s primary
battle came up. The governor, seemingly not caring that people at
nearby tables would likely hear her, uttered the slur and then laughed
loudly as her meal mates joined in appreciatively.

“It was kind of disgusting,” Lucille, who is part Aboriginal, said in
a phone interview after admitting that she is frightened of being
discovered telling folks in the “lower 48” about life near the North
Pole.

Then, almost with a sigh, she added, “But that’s just Alaska.”

Racial and ethnic slurs may be “just Alaska” and, clearly, they are
common, everyday chatter for Palin.

Besides insulting Obama with a Step-N’-Fetch-It, “darkie musical”
swipe, people who know her say she refers regularly to Alaska’s
aboriginal people as “Artic Arabs” – how efficient, lumping two
apparently undesirable groups into one ugly description – as well as
the more colourful “mukluks” along with the totally unimaginative
“fucking Eskimo’s,” according to a number of Alaskans and Wasillians
interviewed for this article.

But being openly racist is only the tip of the Palin iceberg.
According to Alaskans interviewed for this article, she is also
vindictive and mean. We’re talking Rove mean and Nixon vindictive.

No wonder the vast sea of white, cheering faces at the Republican
Convention went wild for Sarah: They adore the type, it’s in their
genetic code. So much for McCain’s pledge of a “high road” campaign;
Palin is incapable of being part of one.

< –––– >

It’s not easy getting people in the 49th state to speak critically
about Palin – especially people in Wasilla, where she was mayor. For
one thing, with every journalist in the world calling, phone lines
into Alaska have been mostly jammed since Friday; as often as not, a
recording told me that “all circuits are busy” or numbers just
wouldn’t ring. I should think a state that’s been made richer than God
by oil could afford telephone lines and cell towers for everyone.

On a more practical level, many people in Alaska, and particularly
Wasilla, are reluctant to speak or be quoted by name because they’re
afraid of her as well as the state Republican Party machine.
Apparently, the power elite are as mean as the winters.

“The GOP is kind of like organized crime up here,” an insurance agent
in Anchorage who knows the Palin family, explained. “It’s corrupt and
arrogant. They’re all rich because they do private sweetheart deals
with the oil companies, and they can destroy anyone. And they will, if
they have to.

“Once Palin became mayor,” he continued, “She became part of that
inner circle.”

Like most other people interviewed, he didn’t want his name used out
of fear of retribution. Maybe it’s the long winter nights where you
don’t see the sun for months that makes people feel as if they’re
under constant danger from “the authorities.” As I interviewed
residents it began sounding as if living in Alaska controlled by the
state Republican Party is like living in the old Soviet Union: See
nothing that’s happening, say nothing offensive, and the political
commissars leave you alone. But speak out and you get disappeared into
a gulag north of the Arctic Circle for who-knows-how-long.

Alright, that’s an exaggeration brought on by my getting too little
sleep and building too much anger as I worked this article. But
there’s ample evidence of Palin’s vindictive willingness to destroy
people she sees as opponents. Just ask the Wasilla town administrator
she hired before firing him because he rebelled against the way Palin
demanded he do his job, or the town librarian who refused to hold the
book burning Walpurgisnach Mayor Palin demanded.

Ironically, Palin was pushed into hiring the administrator by the
party poo-bah’s who helped get her elected after she got herself into
trouble over a number of precipitous firings which gave rise to a
recall campaign.

“People who fought her attempt to oust the librarian are on her
enemies list to this day,” states Anne Kilkenny, a Wasilla resident
and one of the few Alaskans willing to speak on-the-record, for
attribution, about Palin. In fact, Kilkenny actually circulated an e-
mail letter about Palin that was verified and printed by The Nation.

For good measure, Palin booted the Wasilla police chief from office
because, she told a local newspaper, he “intimidated” her.

< –––– >

Sarah Palin drew early attention from state GOP apparatchiks when,
during her first mayoral campaign, she ran on an anti-abortion
platform. Normally, political parties do not get involved in Alaskan
municipal elections because they are non-partisan. But once word of
her extreme fringe evangelical views made its way to Juneau, the state
capitol, state Republicans tossed some money behind her campaign.

Once in office, Palin set out to build a machine that chewed up anyone
who got in her way. The good, Godly Christian turns out to be anything
but.

“She's doesn’t like different opinions and she refuses to compromise,”
Kilkenny notes. “When she was Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't
hers. Worse, ideas weren't evaluated on their merits but on the basis
of who proposed them.”

Sound familiar? Palin may well be Dick Cheney’s reincarnate.

Something else has a familiar Republican ring to it: Her tax policies,
and a “refund surpluses but borrow for the future” attitude.

According to Kilkenny and others in Wasilla as well as Juneau, Palin
reduced progressive property taxes for businesses while mayor and
increased a regressive sales tax which even hits necessities such as
food. The tax cuts she promoted in her St. Paul speech actually
benefited large corporate property owners far more than they benefited
residents. Indeed, Kilkenny insists that many Wasilla home owners
actually saw their tax bill skyrocket to make up for the shortfall.
Two other Wasillian’s with whom I spoke said property taxes on their
modest, three bedroom homes rose during the Palin regime.

To an outsider, it would seem hard to do, but an oil-rich town with
zero debt on the day she was inaugurated mayor was left saddled with
$22-million of debt by the time she moved away to become governor –
especially since nothing was spent on things such as improving the
city’s infrastructure or building a much-needed sewage treatment
plant. So what did Mayor Palin spend the taxpayer’s money on, if not
fixing streets and scrubbing sewage?

For starters, she modelled her office. Several times over, as a matter
of fact.

Then Palin spent $1-million on an unnecessary, new park that no one
other than the contractors and Palin seemed to want. Next, Sarah doled
out more than $15-million of taxpayer money for a sports complex that
she shoved through even though the city did not own clear title to the
land; now, seven years later, the matter is still in litigation and
lawyer fees are said to be close to at least half of the original
estimated price of the facility.

She also worked hard to get voters approval of a $5.5-million bond
proposal for roads that could have been built without borrowing.
Anchorage may not be the center of the financial universe but, like
good Republicans everywhere, Sarah Palin knows how to please Alaskan
bankers and bond dealers.

For good measure, she turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box
stores and disconnected parking lots.

< –––– >

En route to the governor’s igloo, Palin managed to land what Anne
Kilkenny says is the plumb political appointment in the state: Chair
of Alaska’s Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (OGCC), a $122,400 per
year patronage slot with no real authority to do anything other than
hold meetings. She took the job despite having no background in energy
issues and, as it turned out, not liking the work.

“She hated the job,” an OGCC staff member who is not authorized to
speak with the news media told me. “She hated the hours and she hated
what little work there was to do. But she couldn’t figure out a way to
get out of the thing without offending Gov. Murkowski” and the state
Republican Party regulars, some of whom were pissed off they didn’t
get appointed.

But ever the opportunist, Palin quickly concocted a way. First, she
waged a campaign with the local news media claiming that the position
was overpaid and should be abolished – despite the fact that she
lobbied Murkowski hard to get it. Then, mounting what she saw as a
white horse, Palin raised a cloud of dust by resigning from the OGCC
and riding away with an undeserved reputation as a “reformer.”

But when a local reporter dared to suggest that the reformer Empress
has no clothes, Palin tried to get her fired.

“She came at me like I was trying to steal her kids,” said the
targeted reporter, who now works for an oil company in Anchorage. “I
heard she had a wild temper and vicious mean streak but it’s nothing
like you can imagine until she turns it on you.”

Not surprising since some of her high school classmates still openly
call her “Sarah Barracuda,” Kilkenny insists.

Still, as a Republican Party hack Palin managed to get herself elected
running under the false flag of a “reformer.”

And what did she bring to the job? No legislative experience other
than a city council of a village of 5,000 people, which is smaller
than some high schools in Chicago. ...

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From: "Palin's Hitler With Tits" <t...@wh.net>
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:59:53 -0700
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Subject: Re: “So Sambo beat the bitch!” said Sarah Palin

<palin.bi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:8e439afa-2b65-46fa-b912-081b15f538bc@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Friday, September 5, 2008
Alaskans Speak (In A Frightened Whisper): Palin Is “Racist, Sexist,
Vindictive And Mean.”

“So Sambo beat the bitch!”

This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described
Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a
restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party
presidential nomination.

According to Lucille, the waitress serving her table at the time and
who asked that her last name not be used, Gov. Palin was eating lunch
with five or six people when the subject of the Democrat’s primary
battle came up. The governor, seemingly not caring that people at
nearby tables would likely hear her, uttered the slur and then laughed
loudly as her meal mates joined in appreciatively.

“It was kind of disgusting,” Lucille, who is part Aboriginal, said in
a phone interview after admitting that she is frightened of being
discovered telling folks in the “lower 48” about life near the North
Pole.

Then, almost with a sigh, she added, “But that’s just Alaska.”

Racial and ethnic slurs may be “just Alaska” and, clearly, they are
common, everyday chatter for Palin.

Besides insulting Obama with a Step-N’-Fetch-It, “darkie musical”
swipe, people who know her say she refers regularly to Alaska’s
aboriginal people as “Artic Arabs” – how efficient, lumping two
apparently undesirable groups into one ugly description – as well as
the more colourful “mukluks” along with the totally unimaginative
“fucking Eskimo’s,” according to a number of Alaskans and Wasillians
interviewed for this article.

But being openly racist is only the tip of the Palin iceberg.
According to Alaskans interviewed for this article, she is also
vindictive and mean. We’re talking Rove mean and Nixon vindictive.

No wonder the vast sea of white, cheering faces at the Republican
Convention went wild for Sarah: They adore the type, it’s in their
genetic code. So much for McCain’s pledge of a “high road” campaign;
Palin is incapable of being part of one.

< –––– >

It’s not easy getting people in the 49th state to speak critically
about Palin – especially people in Wasilla, where she was mayor. For
one thing, with every journalist in the world calling, phone lines
into Alaska have been mostly jammed since Friday; as often as not, a
recording told me that “all circuits are busy” or numbers just
wouldn’t ring. I should think a state that’s been made richer than God
by oil could afford telephone lines and cell towers for everyone.

On a more practical level, many people in Alaska, and particularly
Wasilla, are reluctant to speak or be quoted by name because they’re
afraid of her as well as the state Republican Party machine.
Apparently, the power elite are as mean as the winters.

“The GOP is kind of like organized crime up here,” an insurance agent
in Anchorage who knows the Palin family, explained. “It’s corrupt and
arrogant. They’re all rich because they do private sweetheart deals
with the oil companies, and they can destroy anyone. And they will, if
they have to.

“Once Palin became mayor,” he continued, “She became part of that
inner circle.”

Like most other people interviewed, he didn’t want his name used out
of fear of retribution. Maybe it’s the long winter nights where you
don’t see the sun for months that makes people feel as if they’re
under constant danger from “the authorities.” As I interviewed
residents it began sounding as if living in Alaska controlled by the
state Republican Party is like living in the old Soviet Union: See
nothing that’s happening, say nothing offensive, and the political
commissars leave you alone. But speak out and you get disappeared into
a gulag north of the Arctic Circle for who-knows-how-long.

Alright, that’s an exaggeration brought on by my getting too little
sleep and building too much anger as I worked this article. But
there’s ample evidence of Palin’s vindictive willingness to destroy
people she sees as opponents. Just ask the Wasilla town administrator
she hired before firing him because he rebelled against the way Palin
demanded he do his job, or the town librarian who refused to hold the
book burning Walpurgisnach Mayor Palin demanded.

Ironically, Palin was pushed into hiring the administrator by the
party poo-bah’s who helped get her elected after she got herself into
trouble over a number of precipitous firings which gave rise to a
recall campaign.

“People who fought her attempt to oust the librarian are on her
enemies list to this day,” states Anne Kilkenny, a Wasilla resident
and one of the few Alaskans willing to speak on-the-record, for
attribution, about Palin. In fact, Kilkenny actually circulated an e-
mail letter about Palin that was verified and printed by The Nation.

For good measure, Palin booted the Wasilla police chief from office
because, she told a local newspaper, he “intimidated” her.

< –––– >

Sarah Palin drew early attention from state GOP apparatchiks when,
during her first mayoral campaign, she ran on an anti-abortion
platform. Normally, political parties do not get involved in Alaskan
municipal elections because they are non-partisan. But once word of
her extreme fringe evangelical views made its way to Juneau, the state
capitol, state Republicans tossed some money behind her campaign.

Once in office, Palin set out to build a machine that chewed up anyone
who got in her way. The good, Godly Christian turns out to be anything
but.

“She's doesn’t like different opinions and she refuses to compromise,”
Kilkenny notes. “When she was Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't
hers. Worse, ideas weren't evaluated on their merits but on the basis
of who proposed them.”

Sound familiar? Palin may well be Dick Cheney’s reincarnate.

Something else has a familiar Republican ring to it: Her tax policies,
and a “refund surpluses but borrow for the future” attitude.

According to Kilkenny and others in Wasilla as well as Juneau, Palin
reduced progressive property taxes for businesses while mayor and
increased a regressive sales tax which even hits necessities such as
food. The tax cuts she promoted in her St. Paul speech actually
benefited large corporate property owners far more than they benefited
residents. Indeed, Kilkenny insists that many Wasilla home owners
actually saw their tax bill skyrocket to make up for the shortfall.
Two other Wasillian’s with whom I spoke said property taxes on their
modest, three bedroom homes rose during the Palin regime.

To an outsider, it would seem hard to do, but an oil-rich town with
zero debt on the day she was inaugurated mayor was left saddled with
$22-million of debt by the time she moved away to become governor –
especially since nothing was spent on things such as improving the
city’s infrastructure or building a much-needed sewage treatment
plant. So what did Mayor Palin spend the taxpayer’s money on, if not
fixing streets and scrubbing sewage?

For starters, she modelled her office. Several times over, as a matter
of fact.

Then Palin spent $1-million on an unnecessary, new park that no one
other than the contractors and Palin seemed to want. Next, Sarah doled
out more than $15-million of taxpayer money for a sports complex that
she shoved through even though the city did not own clear title to the
land; now, seven years later, the matter is still in litigation and
lawyer fees are said to be close to at least half of the original
estimated price of the facility.

She also worked hard to get voters approval of a $5.5-million bond
proposal for roads that could have been built without borrowing.
Anchorage may not be the center of the financial universe but, like
good Republicans everywhere, Sarah Palin knows how to please Alaskan
bankers and bond dealers.

For good measure, she turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box
stores and disconnected parking lots.

< –––– >

En route to the governor’s igloo, Palin managed to land what Anne
Kilkenny says is the plumb political appointment in the state: Chair
of Alaska’s Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (OGCC), a $122,400 per
year patronage slot with no real authority to do anything other than
hold meetings. She took the job despite having no background in energy
issues and, as it turned out, not liking the work.

“She hated the job,” an OGCC staff member who is not authorized to
speak with the news media told me. “She hated the hours and she hated
what little work there was to do. But she couldn’t figure out a way to
get out of the thing without offending Gov. Murkowski” and the state
Republican Party regulars, some of whom were pissed off they didn’t
get appointed.

But ever the opportunist, Palin quickly concocted a way. First, she
waged a campaign with the local news media claiming that the position
was overpaid and should be abolished – despite the fact that she
lobbied Murkowski hard to get it. Then, mounting what she saw as a
white horse, Palin raised a cloud of dust by resigning from the OGCC
and riding away with an undeserved reputation as a “reformer.”

But when a local reporter dared to suggest that the reformer Empress
has no clothes, Palin tried to get her fired.

“She came at me like I was trying to steal her kids,” said the
targeted reporter, who now works for an oil company in Anchorage. “I
heard she had a wild temper and vicious mean streak but it’s nothing
like you can imagine until she turns it on you.”

Not surprising since some of her high school classmates still openly
call her “Sarah Barracuda,” Kilkenny insists.

Still, as a Republican Party hack Palin managed to get herself elected
running under the false flag of a “reformer.”

And what did she bring to the job? No legislative ...

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From: "thomas p." <gudl...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:05:02 +0200
Local: Sat, Sep 6 2008 2:05 pm
Subject: Re: “So Sambo beat the bitch!” said Sarah Palin

<palin.bi...@yahoo.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:8e439afa-2b65-46fa-b912-081b15f538bc@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Friday, September 5, 2008
Alaskans Speak (In A Frightened Whisper): Palin Is “Racist, Sexist,
Vindictive And Mean.”

“So Sambo beat the bitch!”

Are we supposed to believe this one?

snip and

plonk


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From: "Al. E. Gator Esq." <ObamaCroc08.net>
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 03:08:46 -0400
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Subject: Re: “So Sambo beat the bitch!” said Sarah Palin

"thomas p." <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:48c21d8a$0$56788$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk...

> <palin.bi...@yahoo.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:8e439afa-2b65-46fa-b912-081b15f538bc@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> Friday, September 5, 2008
> Alaskans Speak (In A Frightened Whisper): Palin Is “Racist, Sexist,
> Vindictive And Mean.”

> “So Sambo beat the bitch!”

> Are we supposed to believe this one?

> snip and

> plonk

that should be

Cut and

RUN


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Discussion subject changed to ""So Sambo beat the bitch!" said Sarah Palin" by thomas p.
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From: "thomas p." <gudl...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:39:23 +0200
Local: Sat, Sep 6 2008 10:39 pm
Subject: Re: "So Sambo beat the bitch!" said Sarah Palin

"Al. E. Gator Esq." <ObamaCroc08.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:xoOdnfHNtupJsV_VnZ2dnUVZ_rrinZ2d@comcast.com...

From a poster who has already posted false information?  I do not like
either of the Republican candidates, but lying is still wrong.

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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:37:24 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: “So Sambo beat the bitch!” said Sarah Palin
Isn't it "interesting" that not a one of these stories about Sarah
Palin are documented with actual names, places and dates? All of them
take the tack of "I heard this from someone who wants to remain
anonymous!" Yeah, right!

Jesus Christ, well for that matter I "know" a friend who knows someone
who said that Barak Obama is a child molester and that Joe Biden beats
his wife. Um, my friend wishes to remain anonymous!


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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:18:07 -0700 (PDT)
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On Sep 6, 7:37 pm, "Palin Ain't Failin!" <palin_aint_fai...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Isn't it "interesting" that not a one of these stories about Sarah
> Palin are documented with actual names, places and dates? All of them
> take the tack of "I heard this from someone who wants to remain
> anonymous!" Yeah, right!

> Jesus Christ, well for that matter I "know" a friend who knows someone
> who said that Barak Obama is a child molester and that Joe Biden beats
> his wife. Um, my friend wishes to remain anonymous!

I wouldn't be surprised if *all* your friends wished to remain
anonymous.

-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!


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From: "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo>
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:59:31 -0500
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panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 6, 7:37 pm, "Palin Ain't Failin!" <palin_aint_fai...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> Isn't it "interesting" that not a one of these stories about Sarah
>> Palin are documented with actual names, places and dates? All of them
>> take the tack of "I heard this from someone who wants to remain
>> anonymous!" Yeah, right!

>> Jesus Christ, well for that matter I "know" a friend who knows someone
>> who said that Barak Obama is a child molester and that Joe Biden beats
>> his wife. Um, my friend wishes to remain anonymous!

> I wouldn't be surprised if *all* your friends wished to remain
> anonymous.

Not to mention imaginary...

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From: John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net>
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:10:50 -0400
Local: Sun, Sep 7 2008 12:10 pm
Subject: Re: “So Sambo beat the bitch!” said Sarah Palin
On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:37:24 -0700 (PDT), "Palin Ain't Failin!"

<palin_aint_fai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Isn't it "interesting" that not a one of these stories about Sarah
>Palin are documented with actual names, places and dates? All of them
>take the tack of "I heard this from someone who wants to remain
>anonymous!" Yeah, right!

>Jesus Christ, well for that matter I "know" a friend who knows someone
>who said that Barak Obama is a child molester and that Joe Biden beats
>his wife. Um, my friend wishes to remain anonymous!

So would I if you were the best I could do in the way of friends...

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